Posted by martin:

Posted by Rich:

The irony is that we always hear that NY has the most knowledegable basketball fans in the world, yet the ownership/management of the Knicks often treats them as if they are the stupidest by constantly using quick fix, smoke and mirror player acquisitions that preclude any chance of building or assembling a championship team.

The problem is more of a money thing than anything. Is Dolan the type of owner that is in it like Cuban and the Mavs or more like Altanta and the old Clips?

This offseason will be a telling one in that area. If Isiah and Brown are both staying and you see some smart moves during the draft and with MoT and Jalen's expiring contracts and the seattlement of the Marb/Franscis pieces, you _may_ finally see a direction with this organizaion.

I am confused didn't this coach already say that he wants no part of another young guy on this team. Briggs could help me out here because I remember him going on a tirade about Brown's comment. He already said that they would like to trade the pick for a proven veteran. I can't believe he would give away that bargaining chip. That's why I curious if throwing in those picks for Curry was part of Larry I don't want no more young guys on this team.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Rich:

The irony is that we always hear that NY has the most knowledegable basketball fans in the world, yet the ownership/management of the Knicks often treats them as if they are the stupidest by constantly using quick fix, smoke and mirror player acquisitions that preclude any chance of building or assembling a championship team.

The problem is more of a money thing than anything. Is Dolan the type of owner that is in it like Cuban and the Mavs or more like Altanta and the old Clips?

This offseason will be a telling one in that area. If Isiah and Brown are both staying and you see some smart moves during the draft and with MoT and Jalen's expiring contracts and the seattlement of the Marb/Franscis pieces, you _may_ finally see a direction with this organizaion.

I am confused didn't this coach already say that he wants no part of another young guy on this team. Briggs could help me out here because I remember him going on a tirade about Brown's comment. He already said that they would like to trade the pick for a proven veteran. I can't believe he would give away that bargaining chip. That's why I curious if throwing in those picks for Curry was part of Larry I don't want no more young guys on this team.

if they swap 22 year olds with 25/26 year olds - that's ok.

but if they swap 21/22 year olds for 29/30+ year olds, then we can re-visit this.

who said he made efforts to get snow? isola?
secondly, with george lynch just languishing away on the waiver wire, he picked up qyntel woods. why is that?

i need to see us trade for eric snow before i b tch about eric snow being here.

Posted by djsunyc:

who said he made efforts to get snow? isola?
secondly, with george lynch just languishing away on the waiver wire, he picked up qyntel woods. why is that?

i need to see us trade for eric snow before i b tch about eric snow being here.

Didn't Isiah refuse both request. Come now, lets not rewrite history. The man said he doesn't want anymore young players. He may have a point. He also just said he wants Marbury back according to WFAN. So who knows with this guy.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 03-16-2006 6:01 PM]

Posted by fishmike:

my eyes see Marbury, 28 signed through 09
my eyes see Francis, 28 signed through 09
my eyes see Malik Rose, 31 signed through 08
my eyes see Jerome James, 30 signed through 10
my eyes see of Isiah's blue chip "youth" aquisitions in Crawford and Curry as being two of the softest players I have ever watched

my eyes see 18 wins from a team thats plays a veteran roster and we are on the verge of getting blown out by the Hawks before a bunch of college and CBA players came in bail them out.

what do your eyes see?

you're not allowed to post what your eyes see fish... only stats to prove your argument... didn't your mom teach you anything?

the problem is your eyes only see our record (and if we were rebuilding by your definition, it would be the same) and the back page of the post and daily news.

we are one of the youngest teams in the league...by the time the rooks get to 3 years in the league, they will be WAAAAAY better and brown will have two years left on his master piece.

You bash zeke, he brought in all these guys.
You bash marbury, the knicks go 1-8 in his absence.
you bash you bash you bash.

How about thinking, "hey, maybe this is how you rebuild in new york"
how about you look at where the team is headed.

How about you quit your ****ing bitching!?!?!?

shut up already..everyone knows you hate the knicks currently...is there anything you like.

I've yet to see you post about last night's game.

Lee's monster jam! did you see that? did you see the knicks won with our "SUMMER LEAGUE TEAM"?
did you even notice Q woods (who you occasionally bash) was perfect from the floor and was hitting from long range?

did you notice MARBURY cheering on his team and not sulking with the towel (like the 4 page thread the other day seems to say he always seems to do).

I'm all about expressing your opinion, but it's a tired record...the team IS rebuilding, you just don't want to see it, or just have nothing else to do but bitch.

how about some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism?

How about you look at the moves that were made and think? Hey, maybe the knicks are planning to sign THE free agent in 09 that puts us over the top ala Rasheed in Detroit?

Maybe you think, maybe the next three years, we see the rooks develop, crawford takes over the point and we march to the promise land with an experienced bench that would be faaaar better than detroits championship bench (marbs, rose, franchise, JJ)

or maybe you just keep bitching and the mods keeps censoring.

until we run to the finals in 08.

or not.

like I said...I'm down with the venting...I just have to be less sensitive.

But hey, can't I vent as well?

or are you only allowed to post (and not have your post deleted) if you hate the knicks currently?

Posted by martin:

Posted by Rich:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Rich:

The irony is that we always hear that NY has the most knowledegable basketball fans in the world, yet the ownership/management of the Knicks often treats them as if they are the stupidest by constantly using quick fix, smoke and mirror player acquisitions that preclude any chance of building or assembling a championship team.

The problem is more of a money thing than anything. Is Dolan the type of owner that is in it like Cuban and the Mavs or more like Altanta and the old Clips?

This offseason will be a telling one in that area. If Isiah and Brown are both staying and you see some smart moves during the draft and with MoT and Jalen's expiring contracts and the seattlement of the Marb/Franscis pieces, you _may_ finally see a direction with this organizaion.

But the Lakers play in LA, the second largest market, and have been able to combine the need to fill a building with smart basketball decisions. The result is 8 championships since 1973, while the Knicks have won none.

I agree about the upcoming offseason.

The Lakers when Jerry was GM had 2 HUGE dashes of luck. Kobe working out the way he did and the risk of trading away raw pieces in the hopes that Shaq would come to town. Extremely lucky. If no Shaq, you have the same thing as the Knicks.

At least they traded for Kobe. The Knicks reportedly turned down a trade for him because it would have included Oakley. It's that short-sighted mindset that has killed the Knicks.

I think they had an under the table deal with Shaq's agent, something the Knicks could emulate if they ever had cap room.