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3/16/2006  12:23 AM
woodman.... rasheed wallace made the difference..... brown said it himself....
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3/16/2006  12:23 AM
Posted by Armondaone:

While were on the point of LB i read in his statemnet about look at his track record. well his track record is not that great. I don't think he has ever turned a terrible team into a great team. the teams he did good with were already decent but he did put philly over the hump.

do your research and look into the '81 nets, '88 Spurs, '91 Clippers and '97 76ers.. these are the teams he took over and improved eventually...
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3/16/2006  12:25 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Armondaone:

While were on the point of LB i read in his statemnet about look at his track record. well his track record is not that great. I don't think he has ever turned a terrible team into a great team. the teams he did good with were already decent but he did put philly over the hump. I was also wondering about the AI always played to win injuries or healthy. now is he saying that steph's shoulder injury is a reason for the bad record we have. because i think it was a legit injury why steph was out.

eViL, can you post your post and clear up Larry's record. Someone missed it.

You got it, Martin. I had no idea this would be so useful:
Posted by eViL:


Exhibit A:


PLAYER YRS ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Jackie Butler 1 N/A (not enough experience)
Jamal Crawford 5 Zero
Eddy Curry 4 Zero
Steve Francis 6 Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 3 times)
Channing Frye R N/A (not enough experience)
Jerome James 5 Zero
David Lee R N/A (not enough experience)
Stephon Marbury 9 Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 4 times)
Quentin Richardson 5 A playoff series win with the Suns
Nate Robinson R N/A (not enough experience)
Jalen Rose 11 Significant contributer on some deep playoff teams (Traded 4 times)
Malik Rose 9 Role player on an NBA Championship Team
Maurice Taylor 7 Zero
Qyntel Woods 3 N/A (not enough experience)



Larry Brown's Achievements

* 1973 Carolina Cougars: ABA Western Division regular season champions
* 1976 Denver Nuggets: ABA regular season champions (single-division)
* 1977 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1978 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1980 UCLA: NCAA Championship Game
* 1986 Kansas: NCAA Final Four & Big Eight Conference Champions
* 1988 Kansas: NCAA National Champions
* 1990 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1991 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1995 Indiana Pacers: NBA Central Division Champions
* 2001 Philadelphia 76ers: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
* 2004 Detroit Pistons: NBA Champions
* 2005 Detroit Pistons: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
* College: 1 National Championship, 3 Final Fours in 7 seasons
* Pro: 1 Championship, 3 Conference Championships, 10 Division Championships,
25 Playoff appearances in 26 seasons
* 1,000 career NBA wins


Exhibit B:



Name Seasons Playoff Appearances
Larry Brown 26 25

Jamal Crawford 5 0
Eddy Curry 4 0
Steve Francis 6 1
Jerome James 5 3
Stephon Marbury 9 4
Quentin Richardson 5 1
Jalen Rose 11 5
Malik Rose 9 8
Maurice Taylor 7 1

Team Total 61 23

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DONT FORGET:

The fourth-winningest coach in NBA history and universally acclaimed as one of the greatest teachers the sport has ever known, the Basketball Hall of Famer returned to his native Big Apple when he was named the 22nd head coach of the New York Knickerbockers on Jul. 27, 2005.

In adding the latest chapter to one of the game’s legendary careers, Brown joins the Knicks following a two-year stretch with the Detroit Pistons which resulted in back-to-back Eastern Conference Championships and an NBA World Championship in 2004.

“Larry Brown is not just one of the best coaches in the NBA today, but in its history,’ says Knicks President, Basketball Operations Isiah Thomas. “He has made every team he has ever coached a winner, with a legendary approach to teaching and motivating his players. His value to us as a franchise at this time is immeasurable.”

“I look forward to coaching this team; I look forward to working with Isiah,” says Brown. “I think it’s an unbelievable responsibility to our sport, coaching in New York, because the fans are probably the most knowledgeable, or as knowledgeable as any team in the League. If you play the right way, being in this environment, you help our sport, and I don’t take that lightly. I look forward to the challenge. I know it’s not going to be easy, but nothing worthwhile is supposed to be easy.”

Brown comes to the Knicks with an honor-laden resume reflecting 33 years of head coaching experience on both the pro and college levels, capped with his induction into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2002.

With an all-time NBA coaching record of 987-741 (.571), Brown is fourth on the all-time NBA win list, trailing only Lenny Wilkens (1,332), Don Nelson (1,190) and Pat Riley (1,110). His all-time NBA Playoff mark of 100-89 (.529) places him third all-time in League post-season wins behind Phil Jackson (175) and Riley (155).

The 2001 IBM NBA Coach of the Year with the Philadelphia 76ers, Brown was also honored three times as the ABA’s Coach of the Year (1973 with Carolina, 1975 and 1976 with Denver). Larry has been a head coach in two NBA All-Star Games, winning each time (1977 at Milwaukee, 2001 at Washington), and is an eight-time NBA Coach of the Month selection (League or Conference; most recently in February 2005 with Detroit). Brown is also the only head coach in basketball history to win both an NCAA Championship (Kansas 1988) and an NBA title (Detroit 2004).

In 22 seasons as an NBA head coach, Brown has guided his teams to eight 50+ win seasons, seven divisional titles, three Conference Championships (Philadelphia in 2001, Detroit in 2004 and 2005) and one World Championship with the Pistons in 2004. He has led his team to the Playoffs in 17 of his 22 NBA seasons.
The eight different pro teams that Brown coached prior to coming to New York averaged an improvement of 8.9 wins over the season prior to his arrival. And each of those teams has followed a credo that has become synonymous with Brown: Playing the Right Way.

“I’ve grown up playing for some incredible coaches, and I don’t think anybody’s ever been as fortunate as I have in terms of the people I’ve been allowed to play under, coach under, or be involved with,” says Brown. “And they all kind of had the same philosophy: You’ve got to share the ball, or play unselfishly. You’ve got to try to guard, make an effort to defend to the best of your ability. You have to rebound the ball, which was an area that was so critical. And they wanted to you play smart and have fun. I’ve kind of tried to let our people understand those are the most important things that I could possibly tell them.”

In an NBA coaching career that began in 1976-77, Brown has piloted the Denver Nuggets, New Jersey Nets, San Antonio Spurs, Los Angeles Clippers, Indiana Pacers, Philadelphia 76ers and Detroit Pistons. Prior to that, he coached for four seasons in the old American Basketball Association with the Carolina Cougars (two seasons) and Denver (two seasons). Brown’s 229-107 (.682) ABA coaching mark - the fifth-highest win total in League history - gives him an overall professional record of 1,216-848 (.589).

The 65-year-old Brooklyn-native has enjoyed similar success in the college ranks, compiling a 177-61 (.744) career mark in seven collegiate seasons with UCLA (1979-80 through 1980-81) and the University of Kansas (1983-84 through 1987-88). He led UCLA to the 1980 NCAA title game, and in 1988 piloted Kansas to its first National Championship in 36 years.

In Olympic competition, Brown was the head coach of the bronze medal-winning Unites States team at the 2004 Athens Games. He was an assistant coach for the 1980 Olympic squad that did not participate in the Moscow Games, and for the 2000 team that won the gold medal in Sydney. As a player, Brown won a gold medal as a member of the 1964 U.S. squad at the Tokyo Games, averaging 4.1 ppg during the nine-game tournament. He is the only US.. male to both play and coach in the Olympics.

Before turning to coaching, Brown enjoyed a five-year playing career in the ABA, averaging 11.2 points. A three-time ABA All-Star, Brown was a member of the 1969 ABA Champion Oakland Oaks. He dished off an all-time ABA record 23 assists for Denver against Pittsburgh on Feb. 20, 1972. As player and coach, Brown was a part of the ABA for all nine seasons of the league’s existence.

After graduating from Long Beach (NY) High School, Brown averaged 11.8 points at the University of North Carolina. Brown’s older brother Herb is also a longtime NBA and college coach, and served on Larry’s staff in Detroit.

Born in Brooklyn on Sep. 14, 1940, Brown and his wife Shelly reside with their son L.J. (10) and daughter Madison (7). The avid golfer also has two daughters, Kristen and Alli, and five grandchildren.



[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-16-2006 12:31 AM]

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-16-2006 12:32 AM]
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3/16/2006  12:34 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:


Yeah, I have no respect for that dude....He always talks about how he leave a team better off than he met it...Ask the owners of these organizations how they feel about Brown...He has to be the most polarizing coach in the NBA right now....

you funny.. then tell me how it worked with these previous captains??

reggie miller of indiana(confernce finals), iverson of philly,had problems but iverson won MVP and went to NBA finals) billups of detriot(won nba chamionchip and won MVP of finals) but with marbury as captain, the team is 18 - 45 their relationship is disgusting..

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-15-2006 11:46 PM]

That is a good point buttt. This is LB's 1st year here and LB didn't get all of those player mentioned awards in their first year. and i know someone is going to make the point of billups getting it in his 1st year but that team that LB had was not LB's team. that was ricks C's team. and then there will be an arguement about LB making Billups better but that is not true either. Flip saunders should have the credit for that in minn. That is when billups blew up. Just wanted to get some facts out there. not really attaching the poster of this statement.
my point was about leadership... something marbury lacks and will never accomplished in this stage of his career.

also, if it was rick carlisle's team then why didn't he take them to a championship and larry brown did??

also, flip saunders gets the credit for making billups a lethal,dangerous offensive player but larry helped him become a true leader and that's not what marbury is... Starburied never possessed leadership skills and will never lead by example..

SO your saying it wasn't rick C team and that. the team that won the title was larry's. I don't think that Larry was there putting those pieces together like splitting up Ben and Jerry (stackhouse)for rip. and the summer of the billups signing. bring out prince when he was a rook to play when LB doesn't play rooks. setting a rotation with atkins ability to be effective off the bench( who really should be given a ring also). I know that the GM's doing but someone has to make a system for that personnel to work, so the point is LB walked into an already successful system. to tell you the truth I think rick C would have won a ring if he stayed. its not like they were lost without LB. If thats the reasoning your going to use then lets also call it sheed's team because he gave them an even bigger push.
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3/16/2006  12:38 AM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Armondaone:

While were on the point of LB i read in his statemnet about look at his track record. well his track record is not that great. I don't think he has ever turned a terrible team into a great team. the teams he did good with were already decent but he did put philly over the hump. I was also wondering about the AI always played to win injuries or healthy. now is he saying that steph's shoulder injury is a reason for the bad record we have. because i think it was a legit injury why steph was out.

eViL, can you post your post and clear up Larry's record. Someone missed it.

You got it, Martin. I had no idea this would be so useful:
Posted by eViL:


Exhibit A:


PLAYER YRS ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Jackie Butler 1 N/A (not enough experience)
Jamal Crawford 5 Zero
Eddy Curry 4 Zero
Steve Francis 6 Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 3 times)
Channing Frye R N/A (not enough experience)
Jerome James 5 Zero
David Lee R N/A (not enough experience)
Stephon Marbury 9 Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 4 times)
Quentin Richardson 5 A playoff series win with the Suns
Nate Robinson R N/A (not enough experience)
Jalen Rose 11 Significant contributer on some deep playoff teams (Traded 4 times)
Malik Rose 9 Role player on an NBA Championship Team
Maurice Taylor 7 Zero
Qyntel Woods 3 N/A (not enough experience)



Larry Brown's Achievements

* 1973 Carolina Cougars: ABA Western Division regular season champions
* 1976 Denver Nuggets: ABA regular season champions (single-division)
* 1977 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1978 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1980 UCLA: NCAA Championship Game
* 1986 Kansas: NCAA Final Four & Big Eight Conference Champions
* 1988 Kansas: NCAA National Champions
* 1990 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1991 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1995 Indiana Pacers: NBA Central Division Champions
* 2001 Philadelphia 76ers: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
* 2004 Detroit Pistons: NBA Champions
* 2005 Detroit Pistons: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
* College: 1 National Championship, 3 Final Fours in 7 seasons
* Pro: 1 Championship, 3 Conference Championships, 10 Division Championships,
25 Playoff appearances in 26 seasons
* 1,000 career NBA wins


Exhibit B:



Name Seasons Playoff Appearances
Larry Brown 26 25

Jamal Crawford 5 0
Eddy Curry 4 0
Steve Francis 6 1
Jerome James 5 3
Stephon Marbury 9 4
Quentin Richardson 5 1
Jalen Rose 11 5
Malik Rose 9 8
Maurice Taylor 7 1

Team Total 61 23

PT taken.
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3/16/2006  12:41 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Armondaone:

While were on the point of LB i read in his statemnet about look at his track record. well his track record is not that great. I don't think he has ever turned a terrible team into a great team. the teams he did good with were already decent but he did put philly over the hump.

do your research and look into the '81 nets, '88 Spurs, '91 Clippers and '97 76ers.. these are the teams he took over and improved eventually...

DO you have the record for the teams before he got there? I don't know it so if you could do me the favor.
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3/16/2006  12:42 AM
I think they should argue about who's kids are cuter next or better yet they should exchange some "yo mama" jokes and really kick this thing into high gear.

This is plain childish drama. I dont care about how they insult eachother any longer, I'm just waiting to see the bigger man step up and end this nonsense.
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3/16/2006  12:45 AM
Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:


Yeah, I have no respect for that dude....He always talks about how he leave a team better off than he met it...Ask the owners of these organizations how they feel about Brown...He has to be the most polarizing coach in the NBA right now....

you funny.. then tell me how it worked with these previous captains??

reggie miller of indiana(confernce finals), iverson of philly,had problems but iverson won MVP and went to NBA finals) billups of detriot(won nba chamionchip and won MVP of finals) but with marbury as captain, the team is 18 - 45 their relationship is disgusting..

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-15-2006 11:46 PM]

That is a good point buttt. This is LB's 1st year here and LB didn't get all of those player mentioned awards in their first year. and i know someone is going to make the point of billups getting it in his 1st year but that team that LB had was not LB's team. that was ricks C's team. and then there will be an arguement about LB making Billups better but that is not true either. Flip saunders should have the credit for that in minn. That is when billups blew up. Just wanted to get some facts out there. not really attaching the poster of this statement.
my point was about leadership... something marbury lacks and will never accomplished in this stage of his career.

also, if it was rick carlisle's team then why didn't he take them to a championship and larry brown did??

also, flip saunders gets the credit for making billups a lethal,dangerous offensive player but larry helped him become a true leader and that's not what marbury is... Starburied never possessed leadership skills and will never lead by example..

SO your saying it wasn't rick C team and that. the team that won the title was larry's. I don't think that Larry was there putting those pieces together like splitting up Ben and Jerry (stackhouse)for rip. and the summer of the billups signing. bring out prince when he was a rook to play when LB doesn't play rooks. setting a rotation with atkins ability to be effective off the bench( who really should be given a ring also). I know that the GM's doing but someone has to make a system for that personnel to work, so the point is LB walked into an already successful system. to tell you the truth I think rick C would have won a ring if he stayed. its not like they were lost without LB. If thats the reasoning your going to use then lets also call it sheed's team because he gave them an even bigger push.

YOU CAN call it sheed's team if you want.. bottom line, larry won with no future hall of famers or should i say, superstars.. usually, when a team wins a championship, they have at least 2 hall of famers or 2 superstars..
ex. jordan, pippen or duncan, robinson or bird, mchale or drexler, hakeem or magic,kareem or shaq, kobe..

please don't tell me billups, or even rasheed is a superstar..

dumars was smart.. he fires carlisle and hires brown.. he knew brown would be the one to take them to that next level and that he did.....

oh btw, was it larry brown's detriot pistons team that beat rick carlise's best record indiana pacers team in the eastern conference championship??? i thought so..



[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-16-2006 12:48 AM]
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Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:


Yeah, I have no respect for that dude....He always talks about how he leave a team better off than he met it...Ask the owners of these organizations how they feel about Brown...He has to be the most polarizing coach in the NBA right now....

you funny.. then tell me how it worked with these previous captains??

reggie miller of indiana(confernce finals), iverson of philly,had problems but iverson won MVP and went to NBA finals) billups of detriot(won nba chamionchip and won MVP of finals) but with marbury as captain, the team is 18 - 45 their relationship is disgusting..

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-15-2006 11:46 PM]

That is a good point buttt. This is LB's 1st year here and LB didn't get all of those player mentioned awards in their first year. and i know someone is going to make the point of billups getting it in his 1st year but that team that LB had was not LB's team. that was ricks C's team. and then there will be an arguement about LB making Billups better but that is not true either. Flip saunders should have the credit for that in minn. That is when billups blew up. Just wanted to get some facts out there. not really attaching the poster of this statement.
my point was about leadership... something marbury lacks and will never accomplished in this stage of his career.

also, if it was rick carlisle's team then why didn't he take them to a championship and larry brown did??

also, flip saunders gets the credit for making billups a lethal,dangerous offensive player but larry helped him become a true leader and that's not what marbury is... Starburied never possessed leadership skills and will never lead by example..

SO your saying it wasn't rick C team and that. the team that won the title was larry's. I don't think that Larry was there putting those pieces together like splitting up Ben and Jerry (stackhouse)for rip. and the summer of the billups signing. bring out prince when he was a rook to play when LB doesn't play rooks. setting a rotation with atkins ability to be effective off the bench( who really should be given a ring also). I know that the GM's doing but someone has to make a system for that personnel to work, so the point is LB walked into an already successful system. to tell you the truth I think rick C would have won a ring if he stayed. its not like they were lost without LB. If thats the reasoning your going to use then lets also call it sheed's team because he gave them an even bigger push.

YOU CAN call it sheed's team if you want.. bottom line, larry won with no future hall of famers or should i say, superstars.. usually, when a team wins a championship, they have at least 2 hall of famers or 2 superstars.. please don't tell me billups, or even rasheed is a superstar..

dumars was smart.. he fires carlisle and hires brown.. brown was able to take them to the next level...

oh btw, was it larry brown's detriot pistons team that beat rick carlise's best record indiana pacers team in the eastern conference championship??? i thought so..

no i know there were no HOF players there Never said that. and wouldn't that be rick's pistons team beat IT's Pacers
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3/16/2006  12:55 AM
Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Armondaone:

While were on the point of LB i read in his statemnet about look at his track record. well his track record is not that great. I don't think he has ever turned a terrible team into a great team. the teams he did good with were already decent but he did put philly over the hump. I was also wondering about the AI always played to win injuries or healthy. now is he saying that steph's shoulder injury is a reason for the bad record we have. because i think it was a legit injury why steph was out.

eViL, can you post your post and clear up Larry's record. Someone missed it.

You got it, Martin. I had no idea this would be so useful:
Posted by eViL:


Exhibit A:


PLAYER YRS ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Jackie Butler 1 N/A (not enough experience)
Jamal Crawford 5 Zero
Eddy Curry 4 Zero
Steve Francis 6 Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 3 times)
Channing Frye R N/A (not enough experience)
Jerome James 5 Zero
David Lee R N/A (not enough experience)
Stephon Marbury 9 Best player on mostly losing teams (Traded 4 times)
Quentin Richardson 5 A playoff series win with the Suns
Nate Robinson R N/A (not enough experience)
Jalen Rose 11 Significant contributer on some deep playoff teams (Traded 4 times)
Malik Rose 9 Role player on an NBA Championship Team
Maurice Taylor 7 Zero
Qyntel Woods 3 N/A (not enough experience)



Larry Brown's Achievements

* 1973 Carolina Cougars: ABA Western Division regular season champions
* 1976 Denver Nuggets: ABA regular season champions (single-division)
* 1977 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1978 Denver Nuggets: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1980 UCLA: NCAA Championship Game
* 1986 Kansas: NCAA Final Four & Big Eight Conference Champions
* 1988 Kansas: NCAA National Champions
* 1990 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1991 San Antonio Spurs: NBA Midwest Division Champions
* 1995 Indiana Pacers: NBA Central Division Champions
* 2001 Philadelphia 76ers: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
* 2004 Detroit Pistons: NBA Champions
* 2005 Detroit Pistons: NBA Eastern Conference Champions
* College: 1 National Championship, 3 Final Fours in 7 seasons
* Pro: 1 Championship, 3 Conference Championships, 10 Division Championships,
25 Playoff appearances in 26 seasons
* 1,000 career NBA wins


Exhibit B:



Name Seasons Playoff Appearances
Larry Brown 26 25

Jamal Crawford 5 0
Eddy Curry 4 0
Steve Francis 6 1
Jerome James 5 3
Stephon Marbury 9 4
Quentin Richardson 5 1
Jalen Rose 11 5
Malik Rose 9 8
Maurice Taylor 7 1

Team Total 61 23

PT taken.



We should put Larry in the game then......


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3/16/2006  12:56 AM
why would it be their team when the new coach takes over, he changes the style ,philosphy and system ??

The team no longer plays the same way of the old coach..

Right now it's flip saunders team(detriot).. He has them playing a balance attack as opposed to being more defensive minded under larry brown..

They play more freely as opposed to brown giving them instructions..



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[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-16-2006 12:58 AM]
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Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:
Posted by holfresh:


Yeah, I have no respect for that dude....He always talks about how he leave a team better off than he met it...Ask the owners of these organizations how they feel about Brown...He has to be the most polarizing coach in the NBA right now....

you funny.. then tell me how it worked with these previous captains??

reggie miller of indiana(confernce finals), iverson of philly,had problems but iverson won MVP and went to NBA finals) billups of detriot(won nba chamionchip and won MVP of finals) but with marbury as captain, the team is 18 - 45 their relationship is disgusting..

[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-15-2006 11:46 PM]

That is a good point buttt. This is LB's 1st year here and LB didn't get all of those player mentioned awards in their first year. and i know someone is going to make the point of billups getting it in his 1st year but that team that LB had was not LB's team. that was ricks C's team. and then there will be an arguement about LB making Billups better but that is not true either. Flip saunders should have the credit for that in minn. That is when billups blew up. Just wanted to get some facts out there. not really attaching the poster of this statement.
my point was about leadership... something marbury lacks and will never accomplished in this stage of his career.

also, if it was rick carlisle's team then why didn't he take them to a championship and larry brown did??

also, flip saunders gets the credit for making billups a lethal,dangerous offensive player but larry helped him become a true leader and that's not what marbury is... Starburied never possessed leadership skills and will never lead by example..

SO your saying it wasn't rick C team and that. the team that won the title was larry's. I don't think that Larry was there putting those pieces together like splitting up Ben and Jerry (stackhouse)for rip. and the summer of the billups signing. bring out prince when he was a rook to play when LB doesn't play rooks. setting a rotation with atkins ability to be effective off the bench( who really should be given a ring also). I know that the GM's doing but someone has to make a system for that personnel to work, so the point is LB walked into an already successful system. to tell you the truth I think rick C would have won a ring if he stayed. its not like they were lost without LB. If thats the reasoning your going to use then lets also call it sheed's team because he gave them an even bigger push.

YOU CAN call it sheed's team if you want.. bottom line, larry won with no future hall of famers or should i say, superstars.. usually, when a team wins a championship, they have at least 2 hall of famers or 2 superstars.. please don't tell me billups, or even rasheed is a superstar..

dumars was smart.. he fires carlisle and hires brown.. brown was able to take them to the next level...

oh btw, was it larry brown's detriot pistons team that beat rick carlise's best record indiana pacers team in the eastern conference championship??? i thought so..

no i know there were no HOF players there Never said that. and wouldn't that be rick's pistons team beat IT's Pacers
why would it be their team when the new coach takes over, he changes the style ,philosphy and system ??
The team no longer plays the same way of the old coach..

Right now it's flip saunders team(detriot).. He has them playing a balance attack as opposed to being more defensive minded under larry brown..

They play more freely as opposed to brown giving them instructions..
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3/16/2006  1:05 AM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

why would it be their team when the new coach takes over, he changes the style ,philosphy and system ??

The team no longer plays the same way of the old coach..

Right now it's flip saunders team(detriot).. He has them playing a balance attack as opposed to being more defensive minded under larry brown..

They play more freely as opposed to brown giving them instructions..

yeah your right about its LB's gameplan. I was trying to stress that LB did walk onto a team that was already a good team. Im saying that they were winning and going to the playoffs without LB. the team was progressing not regressing when LB got there and If the team had been going backward away from the playoffs/championship( whatever)then i would say larry set them on the correct path.
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3/16/2006  1:14 AM
see evil's chart..
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3/16/2006  1:22 AM
Larry Brown is not doing anything any other coach has not done in this league...U guys are acting like he has parted the Red Sea or something.. Before Detoit, He has been to the Finals once....Just once with the Sixers..He talks about Eric Snow as his point guard but he has one of the best scorers in the NBA in AI....He also had the 2 best defenders in the middle in Motumbo and Ratliff...He's now acting like he took total scrubs to the Finals..Anyone can do this job..we don't need a divisive middle aged dude living off his past laurels , paying him 10 mil per yr and giving us 18 wins while moaning to the press about his players not being able to learn what he is teaching....Give me a break...Lots of guys around the league is doing it with alot less...This guy get a pass in this town and always will....It will take time but he will be exposed.....
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3/16/2006  1:26 AM
Posted by Armondaone:
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

why would it be their team when the new coach takes over, he changes the style ,philosphy and system ??

The team no longer plays the same way of the old coach..

Right now it's flip saunders team(detriot).. He has them playing a balance attack as opposed to being more defensive minded under larry brown..

They play more freely as opposed to brown giving them instructions..

yeah your right about its LB's gameplan. I was trying to stress that LB did walk onto a team that was already a good team. Im saying that they were winning and going to the playoffs without LB. the team was progressing not regressing when LB got there and If the team had been going backward away from the playoffs/championship( whatever)then i would say larry set them on the correct path.

'81 nj nets, '88 spurs, '91 clippers, 97/98 76ers... he improved those teams tremendously...
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Posted by holfresh:

Larry Brown is not doing anything any other coach has not done in this league...U guys are acting like he has parted the Red Sea or something.. Before Detoit, He has been to the Finals once....Just once with the Sixers..He talks about Eric Snow as his point guard but he has one of the best scorers in the NBA in AI....He also had the 2 best defenders in the middle in Motumbo and Ratliff...He's now acting like he took total scrubs to the Finals..Anyone can do this job..we don't need a divisive middle aged dude living off his past laurels , paying him 10 mil per yr and giving us 18 wins while moaning to the press about his players not being able to learn what he is teaching....Give me a break...Lots of guys around the league is doing it with alot less...This guy get a pass in this town and always will....It will take time but he will be exposed.....
HELLO!!! philly traded ratliffe to get mutumbo, they never played together... it was motumbo/lynch/tyrone hill upfront, all defense!! when he took philly to the finals, iverson was the only superstar and scorer on that team.. you take iverson off that team, who else would you count on to do the scoring???]

remember that he took indiana with miller to the conferene finals i think twice..


[Edited by - woodmannyk on 03-16-2006 01:31 AM]
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