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3/14/2006  10:47 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

This is not karate class. Larry brown is not an 8th degree blackbelt. This is basketball.

What makes a good coach? A guy that can fit a system around a group of players that gets them to be the most sucsessful at what they can do well. The more talent the more chance there is for sucsess. The right mix of talent gets you a shot at something special.

If you know basketball than you are annoyed I wrote that out.....and if you know this to be true and you should.......can all the Larry defenders say that actually happened this year with the knicks?

The main thing that still pains me and I keep bringing it up is the fact that a guy with such a track record that has won everywhere got away with playing guys based on their hometowns! He actually said that with confidence and in front of the world. What a joke! That is not playing to win.

In fact I think brown had no intentions on winning. he is 65. dude wants to make one last run at it and wants things to go his way and it is because the whole town wants to fire Thomas, marbury, and dolan.

This is not brown vs. Marbs. This is brown vs. The knicks. Every player has made comments here and there about how confused they are. But they all have been diplomatic about it. They sincerly take the blame.

never would I have guessed the knicks would be this bad. They have the talent. I thought they would probably miss the playoffs anyway, but I thought brown would have the knicks playing good basketball. I was dreaming of what he did with Indiana. If browns track record does anything for me it just further explains why he is the one that should be bought out.

Just like he was in Detroit mofo!


Entree this assumption that's what's best for Marbs is best for the rest of the team is BS. If you allowed each player to draw a game plan you'd have at least 8 different plans and probably more. That's why you put a coach in place. Yes, when the "Star" of the team won't take direction it makes it almost impossible to get anything done. So if your star is Shaq you get rid of your coach if it "Starbury" you get rid of Starbury.
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3/14/2006  10:48 PM
can someone make an arguement why rasheed wallace was the bonehead player in portland, gets traded to detroit only to be a model ctizen

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3/14/2006  10:49 PM
What was Marbury doing yesterday when Carmelo Anthony blew past Jackie Butler on a defensive mismatch? Marbury was the weakside help defender and his man was under the basket and Marbury had his back to one of the best offensive basketball players in the NBA. Where was his defense there? Marbury gets a 50% grade in my book because he does nothing defensively. Good basketball teams start with defense first, not offense.
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3/14/2006  10:52 PM
Posted by Bobby:

can someone make an arguement why rasheed wallace was the bonehead player in portland, gets traded to detroit only to be a model ctizen

Becasue Ben Wallace scared the hell out of him?

Seriously, though - aren't there teams where veteran players create a winning atmosphere and demand that newcomers adapt to it?
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3/14/2006  10:52 PM
Well, first I should say that I don't feel like it's easy to give a grade to a coach whose performance is significantly affected by the cooperation (or lack thereof in this instance) of his players. But since everyone seems to think that the LB supporters give him a pass, I will tell you this:

If this season represents LB's full body of work as a Knicks coach, then he deserves a big fat F.

What else can you say? The team has been terrible and he's part of the team so he gets a bad grade too.

Though I feel inclined to add that this season I've seen sparkles of great play that I didn't see last year. There were moments this year where the ball movement looked awesome. I feel like he helped bring some of that out of these guys. Even last night there was some exciting stuff.

As far as Marbury's grade: Well, historically PG's have been judged by a different standard. I have to say that the elite PG's have somehow gotten the best out of their teammates. This is something I feel Marbury is below average at doing. Couple that with the fact that he hasn't shown consistent effort then under this framework, Marbury gets C-.

Judging Marbury as a player, irrespective of position, and relative to his teammates and others in the organization, I'd give Marbury a B+. But this doesn't say much since the rest of the team ruins the curve. Plus, if you buy into the concept that the PG should make his teammates better then his grade under this framework is acutally inflated by his own shortcomings.

Overall, I hope he succeeds. I want that to be the case so badly because that'll be the quickest way for the Knicks to crawl out of the hole they are in. I don't want to have to trade him and start over and go through the frustration of another lost season and another lost pick. But ultimately, I am a Knicks fan. Marbury has been here for 2 and 1/2 seasons. He has done nothing to convince me that he should stay and Larry should go. If we have to get rid of him then so be it.
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3/14/2006  10:54 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

What was Marbury doing yesterday when Carmelo Anthony blew past Jackie Butler on a defensive mismatch? Marbury was the weakside help defender and his man was under the basket and Marbury had his back to one of the best offensive basketball players in the NBA. Where was his defense there? Marbury gets a 50% grade in my book because he does nothing defensively. Good basketball teams start with defense first, not offense.


Ok...Marbs gets a 50%.....that makes Larry what at 5%?

The only thing we know thus far is that Larry has shown up for practice....He has shown nothing on game day...when it counts.....





[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 10:57 PM]
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3/14/2006  10:56 PM
Posted by eViL:

How come no one who defends Marbury has stepped up to explain his moves late in that Chicago game?

All you wanna talk about is marbury. You only have this game as evidence. Brown has tons of it since the pre-season.

Turn off cold pizza and watch what has been going on out on the court or lack there of. This team atill has no clue what's going on. Even rose and Francis have been brought down.

There is only on championship. What has marbury won? That's not even the point. When marbs was out what was the excuse? Its not about marbs.

Another thing. It is about offense. Basketball has two sides of the ball. The knicks don't have a clue what they're game plan is. They don't know where to go. Yeah they can score....if you call scoring 108 pts scoring in a losing effort then you are right. The knicks don't play winning basketball cuz they don't know what the coach wants. They all have said that in one way or the other.
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3/14/2006  10:57 PM
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Not only thah, in a pregame interview, Brown said Marbs said all this after a two game win streak which was not true...Brown said he didnt understand why Marbs would say that after we won...But it was after two losses....I really don't trust Brown....That cat is just one dodgy dude...

for someone who keeps saying not to put so much significance on things said to the media, you sure put alot of significance on things said to the media.



You are right...I do frown on spin writers put in their pieces...But how can you ignore comments coming from Larry's lips....

Since you are a big Marbury fan, could you read my question to Eny and explain what Starbury was doing late in the Chicago game?



I can't defend that and no one should defend it...He should be back on defense...

But tell me this...If you were to grade the players on the Knicks and management who came close to getting their jobs done.....U would have to admit that Marbs would have the highest grade of all those in the organization.....What grade would you give Larry?


Marbs and Larry are both failing. But for Larry it's unusual.
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3/14/2006  11:00 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by eViL:
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If you know basketball than you are annoyed I wrote that out.....and if you know this to be true and you should.......can all the Larry defenders say that actually happened this year with the knicks?

Since you know basketball, explain this to me: what was Marbury doing arguing with a ref while the game was still on and it was the final minutes and Ben Gordon drilled a three to put his team up late in the game when we played Chicago? What strategy was that? Was that Starbury in action? What's your excuse for him there? Was that a good play? Would a true superstar do that? What do you think Larry Brown would have had him do? Do you think LB would recommend hustling back on D in that situation? Or do you think that was LB's gameplan? Seriously, please address that situation and explain to me the rationale behind Marbury's decision to argue with a ref rather than get back on D during the closing moments of a tight game. I mean, since you know basketball...

yeah that's a bone head play.

I know that because I know basketball.

So can you explain the things that that have been happening as far as brown and what he is in charge of? This season of course. You should know since you know how to be a dick.

Eny, Eny, Eny, we all know that if I was a dick, I'd be in your mouth. No wait. I meant to say, if I was Marbury's dick...

Now, seriously - why does everyone go to bat to back up a player who makes these types of bonehead plays in crunch time? Is it just because he's flashy and fun to watch on offense? That's the only explanation I can come up with. The guy plays with no heart, hustle, effort or pride on defense. I've never seen Marbury shut someone down - EVER. Find me a game where Marbury gets credit for shutting down another star guard.
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3/14/2006  11:05 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by EnySpree:

If you know basketball than you are annoyed I wrote that out.....and if you know this to be true and you should.......can all the Larry defenders say that actually happened this year with the knicks?

Since you know basketball, explain this to me: what was Marbury doing arguing with a ref while the game was still on and it was the final minutes and Ben Gordon drilled a three to put his team up late in the game when we played Chicago? What strategy was that? Was that Starbury in action? What's your excuse for him there? Was that a good play? Would a true superstar do that? What do you think Larry Brown would have had him do? Do you think LB would recommend hustling back on D in that situation? Or do you think that was LB's gameplan? Seriously, please address that situation and explain to me the rationale behind Marbury's decision to argue with a ref rather than get back on D during the closing moments of a tight game. I mean, since you know basketball...

yeah that's a bone head play.

I know that because I know basketball.

So can you explain the things that that have been happening as far as brown and what he is in charge of? This season of course. You should know since you know how to be a dick.

Eny, Eny, Eny, we all know that if I was a dick, I'd be in your mouth. No wait. I meant to say, if I was Marbury's dick...

Now, seriously - why does everyone go to bat to back up a player who makes these types of bonehead plays in crunch time? Is it just because he's flashy and fun to watch on offense? That's the only explanation I can come up with. The guy plays with no heart, hustle, effort or pride on defense. I've never seen Marbury shut someone down - EVER. Find me a game where Marbury gets credit for shutting down another star guard.

He shut down Grant Hill in the second half of the first game against Orlando when Hill completely torched your boy Lee in the first half.....Even Brown commented on the effort...

Hill scored 0 in the second half....



[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 11:05 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-14-2006 11:06 PM]
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3/14/2006  11:06 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by eViL:

How come no one who defends Marbury has stepped up to explain his moves late in that Chicago game?

All you wanna talk about is marbury. You only have this game as evidence. Brown has tons of it since the pre-season.

Turn off cold pizza and watch what has been going on out on the court or lack there of. This team atill has no clue what's going on. Even rose and Francis have been brought down.

There is only on championship. What has marbury won? That's not even the point. When marbs was out what was the excuse? Its not about marbs.

Another thing. It is about offense. Basketball has two sides of the ball. The knicks don't have a clue what they're game plan is. They don't know where to go. Yeah they can score....if you call scoring 108 pts scoring in a losing effort then you are right. The knicks don't play winning basketball cuz they don't know what the coach wants. They all have said that in one way or the other.


What are you talking about? One game as evidence? Have you noticed Marbs loses everywhere, every year?

If you want to compare histories it's no contest.

The fact that Brown can't win with Marbs says more about Marbs then Brown. No coach has been able to win with Marbs.
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3/14/2006  11:07 PM
Posted by OldFan:
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Posted by eViL:

How come no one who defends Marbury has stepped up to explain his moves late in that Chicago game?

All you wanna talk about is marbury. You only have this game as evidence. Brown has tons of it since the pre-season.

Turn off cold pizza and watch what has been going on out on the court or lack there of. This team atill has no clue what's going on. Even rose and Francis have been brought down.

There is only on championship. What has marbury won? That's not even the point. When marbs was out what was the excuse? Its not about marbs.

Another thing. It is about offense. Basketball has two sides of the ball. The knicks don't have a clue what they're game plan is. They don't know where to go. Yeah they can score....if you call scoring 108 pts scoring in a losing effort then you are right. The knicks don't play winning basketball cuz they don't know what the coach wants. They all have said that in one way or the other.


What are you talking about? One game as evidence? Have you noticed Marbs loses everywhere, every year?

If you want to compare histories it's no contest.

The fact that Brown can't win with Marbs says more about Marbs then Brown. No coach has been able to win with Marbs.



He ask for one game....
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3/14/2006  11:10 PM
Wow. It's all Marbury all the time around here. I'm sick of Marbury, and I'm sick of Brown, Thomas and Dolan. I need this season to end so I can forget about the Knicks for a while, and see if I can generate some enthusiasm for another season of hoping this sorry franchise will finally turn things around.
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3/14/2006  11:15 PM
Posted by Marv:
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can someone make an arguement why rasheed wallace was the bonehead player in portland, gets traded to detroit only to be a model ctizen

Becasue Ben Wallace scared the hell out of him?

Seriously, though - aren't there teams where veteran players create a winning atmosphere and demand that newcomers adapt to it?

what happen to kg and paul pierce. great coaching demands winning and vet players know how to execute. winning atmosphere is more of team concept but not limited to exceptional players that can will their ability to win

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3/14/2006  11:18 PM
Posted by Bobby:
Posted by Marv:
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can someone make an arguement why rasheed wallace was the bonehead player in portland, gets traded to detroit only to be a model ctizen

Becasue Ben Wallace scared the hell out of him?

Seriously, though - aren't there teams where veteran players create a winning atmosphere and demand that newcomers adapt to it?

what happen to kg and paul pierce. great coaching demands winning and vet players know how to execute. winning atmosphere is more of team concept but not limited to exceptional players that can will their ability to win

He wasn't a bonehead player in Portland, he was known for leading the league in technical fouls, which he still does....Winning changes alot of perspective on how a player looks...

So climb down off the Larry Brown pedestal....
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3/14/2006  11:22 PM
Posted by holfresh:

He shut down Grant Hill in the second half of the first game against Orlando when Hill completely torched your boy Lee in the first half.....Even Brown commented on the effort...

Hill scored 0 in the second half....

First of all, I don't know which game you are talking about, but the first game against Orlando, Hill only scored 7 points. So I assume you mean the second game in which he scored 26 points. Well, if that's the game you are talking about, Starbury only mustered up 5 points on 0-7 shooting. Not to mention - we lost. I don't wanna pin everything on the guy, but he's far from the complete player that you guys think he is. He's not worth the effort you guys put into defending him. If he defended his opponents as hard as you guys defend him on this board, we wouldn't be losing right now.
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3/14/2006  11:26 PM
Yes, peoples opinions change when some PROVES they can win.

Marbs hasn't done that. Some of us think it's more then a coincidence.
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3/14/2006  11:29 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by holfresh:

He shut down Grant Hill in the second half of the first game against Orlando when Hill completely torched your boy Lee in the first half.....Even Brown commented on the effort...

Hill scored 0 in the second half....

First of all, I don't know which game you are talking about, but the first game against Orlando, Hill only scored 7 points. So I assume you mean the second game in which he scored 26 points. Well, if that's the game you are talking about, Starbury only mustered up 5 points on 0-7 shooting. Not to mention - we lost. I don't wanna pin everything on the guy, but he's far from the complete player that you guys think he is. He's not worth the effort you guys put into defending him. If he defended his opponents as hard as you guys defend him on this board, we wouldn't be losing right now.



So the Knicks are losing because Marbs isnt defending his man....

Nash has never defended anyone since entering this league..neither has Tony Parker, Allan Iverson, Byron Davis, Mike Bibby,Andre Miller, Sam Cassell,Steve Francis,Brevin Knight,T.J. Ford, Jason Williams, and I can name more....U have a boner for them as well?
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3/14/2006  11:37 PM
I'm not the one who's jocking one player, you are. So save your boner comments for when you meet up with your Marbury dick-riders club.

I am a fan of the team. I want to see the team succeed and I don't think the team succeeds with a selfish loser, who doesn't play with effort on both ends, as their centerpiece.

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3/14/2006  11:39 PM
Posted by eViL:

I'm not the one who's jocking one player, you are. So save your boner comments for when you meet up with your Marbury dick-riders club.

I am a fan of the team. I want to see the team succeed and I don't think the team succeeds with a selfish loser, who doesn't play with effort on both ends, as their centerpiece.

[Edited by - eViL on 03-14-2006 11:37 PM]



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