Posted by TemujinKnick:

I do care. I'm not going to sit here and complain about the failings and the losses every single day. I think we will be a strong team next year. We probably won't be the same team we are today, but THAT I don't care about.

Four straight games they were playing harder and they won two of them. Then we get another setback. This is just the way it's going to be until everyone who isn't giving everything they have every night is gone. I can wait another year.

Be as pessimistic and caught up in the moment as you want. I'm just going to keep watching and pushing for them to win until they do it consistently.

Posted by Swishfm3:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:



You know what, I don't care either..It's either Isiah's or Marbury's fault...That what most posters are up to these days..don't let me stop you...go right ahead....you won't hear a peep out of me....sorry to interrup..

one question holfresh, if it's not steph's fault, (btw i NEVER said it was steph's fault), then is this a case again of a GM not surrounding steph with enough talent to be successful? a case again of a GM not giving steph complementary players to accentuate his game? or do you think that we have the right pieces around steph and lb totally misused them?[

for the record, steph is steph. he's always been steph and nothing has changed since his days in minny. he is what he is and isiah knew what he was when he brought him here. i don't blame steph for anything. i lay blame on the guy that brought him here without a plan.

thats what I believe.

forget salary....age...and how long they been in the L. PLay the best players..

Posted by TemujinKnick:

I do care. I'm not going to sit here and complain about the failings and the losses every single day. I think we will be a strong team next year. We probably won't be the same team we are today, but THAT I don't care about.

Four straight games they were playing harder and they won two of them. Then we get another setback. This is just the way it's going to be until everyone who isn't giving everything they have every night is gone. I can wait another year.

Be as pessimistic and caught up in the moment as you want. I'm just going to keep watching and pushing for them to win until they do it consistently.

Posted by Andrew:

holfresh...you say Isiah needs more that 2 years before we start to complain and then you blame LB after not even a full season? Jrose is a LB type player? Isiah was after him for the past year.

Isiah is the GM. He put together this team. This team is full of overpaid, underacheivers. The team is heading in the wrong direction. Isiah is digging the knicks into a hole....time to stop digging.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by holfresh:



You know what, I don't care either..It's either Isiah's or Marbury's fault...That what most posters are up to these days..don't let me stop you...go right ahead....you won't hear a peep out of me....sorry to interrup..

one question holfresh, if it's not steph's fault, (btw i NEVER said it was steph's fault), then is this a case again of a GM not surrounding steph with enough talent to be successful? a case again of a GM not giving steph complementary players to accentuate his game? or do you think that we have the right pieces around steph and lb totally misused them?

for the record, steph is steph. he's always been steph and nothing has changed since his days in minny. he is what he is and isiah knew what he was when he brought him here. i don't blame steph for anything. i lay blame on the guy that brought him here without a plan.

My point is it's much bigger than Steph and Isiah...How can a GM be expected to put it all together in 2 years given the salary cap issues and the roster that Isiah met here...How is it possible? If you are really trying to be fair...Steph has played the best of any Knick this season, and now this debacle is his fault...OK you don't blame Steph...We went wrong with the signing of Larry Brown...Larry wants vets and will trade all the rooks we have...Ariza and Nate are done with the Knicks..Look for another rook to go in the off season and possibly draft picks...Then you blame Isiah...What is tha about...You complain about the direction of the team but say nothing about Larry Brown..

The pink elephant in the room is Larry Brown...No one will talk about it...Larry is done in 3 years...The players lost respect for him already...No player with any value will sign here as long as Larry is coaching this team...Steph is now trying to get traded and I don't blame him...To me, it seems like having Larry being here is more important than this organization building with young talent...

Marbs is not the kind of talent that you surround a team with...No point guard is...He is a piece of the puzzle...The things is, guards like Marbs don't grow on trees...It took the Knicks 30 years to get a guy like Marbs...30 years...Marbs pouts, yes, Marbs complains, yes but I don't blame him, Larry has took what seemed to be a good thing and turned it sour...Larry gets a pass in this town...

Even you, are trying to pin trades on Isiah that Larry wanted...All posters here is saying Isiah should give the coach what he wants..When he does, you blame him...amazing...Larry time has passed with this team, the players are not playing hard for him, he throws them under the bus whenever he gets the chance...


If you are going to point fingers, point it in every direction...Not just at one or two guys..

fingers are pointed all around - as it should be since it's a collaborative effort. but you're talking about lb like he's the main culprit in this mess. and he's not. he inherited the roster and it's probably the first time in at least 5-6 years he had to deal with the type of attitudes on it.

50+ transactions by isiah. not one single defensive player. not one.

that's a huge flaw.

he panicked and hired lenny wilkens to a guaranteed 4 year deal and then fired him in a year.

trading away 4 unprotected lottery picks and only getting 3 back in the 20+ range is another problem.

and that's in the 2 years here.