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JohnWallace44
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3/13/2006  10:03 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

It is not a coach's job to motivate his players. This is a fallacy created by people who either never coached or need excuses for why THEY NEVER PLAY HARD. I have played a thousand games in my life and not one time did I need a coach to make a speech or say the right thing to get me to play hard. That's like saying it's the coach's job to get you to try to score in the right basket. Or it's the coach's job to motivate a QB to throw to his receivers and not the DB's. "If the coach doesn't make a good half time speech I'm going to throw the ball into the stands". Give me a break. Certain things are a given. You should play hard every night with or without a coach. ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST A NONSENSE EXCUSE MADE UP BY LAZY PEOPLE.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-13-2006 5:14 PM]

Well if he's not supposed to motivate them and he hasn't had any effect on the fundamental side... what's he doing for that $10 Million a year salary?
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TMS
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3/14/2006  9:17 AM
i've heard plenty of HOF players in all sports refer back to their coaches & tell of what great motivators they were & how they were able to get the most out of the players they coached... i guess none of them know what the hell they're talking about either.
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3/14/2006  11:36 AM
I can motivate a player to better himself during the off-season. You can motivate a motivated player to reach new heights. But if you have to teach players that have never played hard consistently in their careers to finally play hard for the first time it is going to take more than one season's worth of magic to accomplish. It's going to take habit breaking, which takes mintes being ripped away, games being played, embarrassing players. Their is no magic formula. It takes time to get into the heads of career losers and change their mentality. We all know this. But we still think their is a magic coach out there somewhere. There isn't. LB is doing exactly what needs to be done. Yank minutes, set standards and not give in to guys that have NEVER WON. And be even harder on the young guys so that they don't develop the same losing habits that our vets and our organization as a whole spew from every pore.

No doubt we could have hired another coach that could have won more games with this squad. It would look prettier but the truth is we'd be no closer to a title than we are now. It would be a smokescreen to fool you guys into thinking we are winning. We are finally starting to do the right things subtly. I just hope we don't go down the path of impatience again.

We have a crew of career loser that have no idea what it means to play hard. I want one of two things. I want to get rid of those players OR give our coach the time to teach the lessons that need to be taught even if that means losing. So we aren't still trying to teach these guys 5 years from now.

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3/14/2006  12:31 PM
i agree, u can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink... that's a given... but to simply say that it's not a coach's job to motivate his players is bulloney (my own spelling)... it's a coach's job to make sure his players are prepared to play the game at the best of their abilities... that means knowing the plays, making sure they practice hard & are in shape (but again, you can't make a lazy player work hard if he doesn't want to, i agree w/u on that).

as for LB, i have no problem at all giving him some time to get the players he wants & to see if he can turn things around... he has a past track record of success that no one else here (other than perhaps Malik Rose) has, so if anyone should be given the benefit of the doubt, it's him.
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3/14/2006  12:41 PM
I'm with you TMS. I agree part of the job of the coach is to motivate the players to reach new heights.. But it is not in the job description to have to motivate them to play hard. That should be a given.

I'm just sitting back praying that we don't fall into the same tired pattern of blaming an individual for a organization wide problem. Fire the person we blame and then just watch the same old crap being done by people with different names. That scares me. I no longer want coach's pointing fingers at players, players at coach's, GM's at players and coach's, fans at players, fans at coach's etc. Instead of pointing fingers and finding scapegoats to make us feel temporarily better, we need to create an air of stability. We need to hire people that can get on the same page. Develop a plan, and stick with the plan no matter how long it takes. I hate the moves Zeke and Laydne made but I do think there is a reason behind all of them. And that is a quick fix to try to save their jobs long enough so that they can then make the moves they know they should. The next GM will do the same thing unless we allow him and LB the time to work things out TOGETHER. This organization, the fans, the media, the GM, the coaches and the players have all created an atmosphere of every man for themselves and we refuse to change it.

Solution: Allow our GM, coach's to make mistakes and build a team instead of waiting for every new player or coach to be a magic elixir that fixes it all. I'm praying that Dolan has learned his lesson because this is the only way.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 03-14-2006 12:42 PM]
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3/14/2006  1:10 PM
what's different w/LB that wasn't the case w/Don Chaney was that i know LB's methods are tried & proven to lead to success... so if this team is faultering, i'd look to the players before i look to the coach... although i can say i haven't agreed w/everything he's done as Knicks' coach up to this point, i can never question the results he's been able to achieve using those techniques on all the past teams he's coached for.

as for Isiah, he gets til the start of next season to realize his final vision for this team for me... if he indeed does have a plan like he says he does, then the assets to achieve that plan, or build a team that will be on its way towards achieving that plan, should be in place by now.
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