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3/12/2006  2:16 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Marb's couldn't stand not being the man on the team?...How do you know this? So he left gor greener pastures?New Jersey was better for him? ...Why are you just making things up to illustrate your point...It's not impressive...Tell the truth please.....

did you bother to read the entire post or did you just pick out the few sentences that you wanted to argue? what did i just get done saying about Marbury? that everything he does contradicts the fact that he's "all about winning"... so when i say he left for greener pastures, it means he wanted to go someplace that he'd be the "man"... he was the man in NJ, & where did that get that team? nowhere... so please, give up your weak attempt at calling me out because i'm not trying to impress you with made up points... these are the facts.
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3/12/2006  2:22 PM
Posted by holfresh:

So let me get this straigh...You are not pissed at the way he plays but what he says in the press afterwards....Also, when he passes the ball and the players are not ready for it...It's ultimately his fault...How many times did Marbs dish it to a wide open Q1 to have him miss the shot..Those plays alone was at least 5 assist...But no wait, Marbs was selfish, that's why we lost.....U guys need to smell the coffee...


no, actually i AM pissed at the way he plays... you obviously don't comprehend what is written before you... i just got done saying i don't like how he carries himself ON & off the court... what do you think that means? did i mention anything about what he says to the press? & i agree w/u that some of the passes he makes to wide open teammates spotting up that don't make the shot are not his fault... that happens w/EVERY NBA PG, not just Steph... you can't make every shot you take & you can't make the shot for your teammates after you pass it to them either... that's obvious... i was referring to the previous observation by Armondaone that alot of times his teammates end up fumbling his passes or turning the ball over.
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3/12/2006  2:23 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:

Marb's couldn't stand not being the man on the team?...How do you know this? So he left gor greener pastures?New Jersey was better for him? ...Why are you just making things up to illustrate your point...It's not impressive...Tell the truth please.....

did you bother to read the entire post or did you just pick out the few sentences that you wanted to argue? what did i just get done saying about Marbury? that everything he does contradicts the fact that he's "all about winning"... so when i say he left for greener pastures, it means he wanted to go someplace that he'd be the "man"... he was the man in NJ, & where did that get that team? nowhere... so please, give up your weak attempt at calling me out because i'm not trying to impress you with made up points... these are the facts.



My point is these are not facts...He left because he was a young kid living in Minnesota...He did'nt want to be there..He said so on many occasions....But your explaination was that he wanted to be the man....They guy has stated on many occasions he would love to play with Garnett again, especially in New York..But you don't want to hear that...You just want to believe the fictional character you all have made Marbs into...You guys need to grow up.......
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3/12/2006  2:26 PM
Why do you care what Marb's says or does off the court...As long as doesn't get into trouble and he is prepared to play everyday....That's all you can ask of a profressional athlete...But nooooo....You all want the Derek Jeter answer...The same thing with no color...You have no idea how Jetes really feel about anything and you guys love that...Please...
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3/12/2006  2:32 PM
don't be naive... there was no way he'd get a max contract playing in the shadow of KG, so he left to get a big contract someplace else... of COURSE he wants to play w/KG again in NY... he's already got his contract... but does saying he wants to play w/him again mean he's all about winning now? a leopard can't change his spots... this guy's all about himself... i think you're the one who needs to wake up, because you obviously don't choose to look at this guy's past track record & ignore everything about this guy that tells you he's not a team oriented style player.
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3/12/2006  2:36 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Why do you care what Marb's says or does off the court...As long as doesn't get into trouble and he is prepared to play everyday....That's all you can ask of a profressional athlete...But nooooo....You all want the Derek Jeter answer...The same thing with no color...You have no idea how Jetes really feel about anything and you guys love that...Please...

what he does off the court in terms of how he interacts w/teammates dude... i could care less what he does in his private life... Derek Jeter? please, Marbury can't even tie his shoelaces when it comes to being a leader for his team... don't even go there because that's already a losing argument for you.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-12-2006 2:37 PM]
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3/12/2006  2:42 PM
Posted by TMS:

don't be naive... there was no way he'd get a max contract playing in the shadow of KG, so he left to get a big contract someplace else... of COURSE he wants to play w/KG again in NY... he's already got his contract... but does saying he wants to play w/him again mean he's all about winning now? a leopard can't change his spots... this guy's all about himself... i think you're the one who needs to wake up, because you obviously don't choose to look at this guy's past track record & ignore everything about this guy that tells you he's not a team oriented style player.



Where do you guys get the idea the people don't want to win....Where does that come from really?..How can you tell that Marbs don't want to win..Other than what people say about him in the press...People tell you he wants to lose and you believe it....Amazing....

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-12-2006 2:43 PM]
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3/12/2006  2:43 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Yeah I forgot...It's all his fault....

well he did turn the ball over twice, in the final 30 seconds of play....
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3/12/2006  2:45 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by holfresh:

Yeah I forgot...It's all his fault....

well he did turn the ball over twice, in the final 30 seconds of play....



So did Francis, but there is not one post about Francis...You guys always want to blame the guy for all the bad on the court.....
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3/12/2006  2:50 PM
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Posted by holfresh:

Yeah I forgot...It's all his fault....

well he did turn the ball over twice, in the final 30 seconds of play....



So did Francis, but there is not one post about Francis...You guys always want to blame the guy for all the bad on the court.....

man I cant beleive you responded to my post so fas., I was just about to edit it. actually Im wrong, he didnt turn it over twice, he just tunred it over once, and then missed a shot. anyway even though it is somewhat his fault, I dont really blame marbury for the loss, overall I liked the way he played last night. also as far as what he said in the papers, goes, Im too worried about that either, brown will handle it, besides what he is saying is actually understandable. even though I'm sure if I agree with him that playing the way he used to play will be better for the knicks in the long run, but if I where LB I'd just let him do it, that way his trade value in the summer will be higher
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3/12/2006  2:53 PM
I said before the Curry trade that this was shaping up to be one of the fastest most athletic teams in the league and that the ideal coach would be McMillan, and Marbury was not quick enough end to end to lead the team.

Well, now we have added a slow-it-down coach and a slow-it-down center to the mix and subtracted Ariza who was a good transition player.

With this situation I have to agree with "Starbury" actually. We would be a better team with him trying to get 30 a night. We would have less turnovers with the ball in his hands, that's for sure. Marbs confined to the LB system is not great, so why are we doing it. Let him do what he does. I tend to think he has a better idea of how to win with these players than LB does. Maybe not long term, but right now if left to his own devices his decision making/playmaking gives us a better shot than Brown's waffling.
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3/12/2006  2:58 PM
Marbs is the best point guard the Knicks have had in the last 30 years...When you point guard is you best player, chances are you are not going to win...The anwers to the Knicks problem for everyone is to get rid of Marbs...You know what, at this point, I want to see it happen as well just to prove a point to you guys...Nothing is happening here anyway under Brown...Brown will turn this roster into one with veteran players with no eye to the future...You will get your wish..Marbs will be out....I don't want to hear next year with Eric Snow running the point is not a good idea...All you Marbs HATERS better not show up in this Forum....

[Edited by - holfresh on 03-12-2006 3:00 PM]
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3/12/2006  3:07 PM

When Eric Snow, Malik Rose and Theo Ratliff are next year starters..I hope the complaining and the moaning stops....In Brown we trust....
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3/12/2006  3:08 PM
Marbs is the best point guard the Knicks have had in the last 30 years

& yet oddly enough, this team has 1 of the worst records of any Knicks teams in the last 30 years... now why is that? i thought a PG's job was to make his teammates better? so when does Marbury start to make these guys better? i'm still waiting... care to provide your theory on just how Stephon Marbury is a team first winning style basketball player? i'm dying to hear your reasons for defending this guy.
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3/12/2006  3:09 PM
Marbury says dumb things often and is not a leader. That said, he's far from the reason that this team is bad. The team is bad because we have no shot blockers, no perimeter defenders, minimal perimeter shooting, and minimal low post scoring
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3/12/2006  3:12 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Marbury says dumb things often and is not a leader. That said, he's far from the reason that this team is bad. The team is bad because we have no shot blockers, no perimeter defenders, minimal perimeter shooting, and minimal low post scoring

dude, a HUGE part of the reason this team is bad is because of Marbury's lack of defense on the perimeter & the fact that there are no leaders here other than Malik Rose... he's getting paid a max contract & he's Isiah's boy... he needs to step up & be a leader, pointblank... stop making excuses for this guy already.
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3/12/2006  3:27 PM
Posted by holfresh:


When Eric Snow, Malik Rose and Theo Ratliff are next year starters..I hope the complaining and the moaning stops....In Brown we trust....

yeah but some fans, and almost certainly Isiah Thomas, woudnt mind that as long as the knicks win.
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3/12/2006  3:35 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by holfresh:


When Eric Snow, Malik Rose and Theo Ratliff are next year starters..I hope the complaining and the moaning stops....In Brown we trust....

yeah but some fans, and almost certainly Isiah Thomas, woudnt mind that as long as the knicks win.




Yeah and if you think they will win with that lineup and no eye to the future...What can I say...
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3/12/2006  3:37 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Marbury says dumb things often and is not a leader. That said, he's far from the reason that this team is bad. The team is bad because we have no shot blockers, no perimeter defenders, minimal perimeter shooting, and minimal low post scoring

dude, a HUGE part of the reason this team is bad is because of Marbury's lack of defense on the perimeter & the fact that there are no leaders here other than Malik Rose... he's getting paid a max contract & he's Isiah's boy... he needs to step up & be a leader, pointblank... stop making excuses for this guy already.

I dont know if I would call it making excuses, after all marbury was NEVER a leader, even back when he first got his max contract, why should we expect him to change now? marbury was always a highly paid, yet talented player with attitude problems, thats why we where able to get him with the garbage we sent to pheonix. you get what you pay for. anyway I disagree that marbury is a huge reason why we are losing. beleive it or not, when marbury doesnt play, the team looks even worse. I doubt his bad defense plays that much of a factor becuase everyone on our team is a bad defender, for the most part though I agree with what bonn said.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-12-2006 3:44 PM]
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3/12/2006  3:41 PM
Posted by TMS:
Marbs is the best point guard the Knicks have had in the last 30 years

& yet oddly enough, this team has 1 of the worst records of any Knicks teams in the last 30 years... now why is that? i thought a PG's job was to make his teammates better? so when does Marbury start to make these guys better? i'm still waiting... care to provide your theory on just how Stephon Marbury is a team first winning style basketball player? i'm dying to hear your reasons for defending this guy.



You watch the games I assume...So tell me, How does Curry play when Marbs is not getting him the ball where he likes it....How does David Lee look when Marbs breaks down the defense and dishes him the ball...How is Q playing when Marbs gets him wide open shots time and time again that he can't seem to knock down...How does Frye look not running the pick and roll with Marbs...How does Craw look when Marbs is not there running the point...When Craw has to run the point for Larry...

So you say Marbs don't make others better....How did they look when he was out those 10 games...
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