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djsunyc
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2/25/2006  10:05 PM
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Posted by crzymdups:

I wonder if the plan should be to give Brown control on the roster and bring in a younger coach who is less grating and more passionate and less sarcastic.


cryz im with you. The ownership may need to go into negotiations to terminate everyone excpet scouts working on the draft--go into consultations with the nBA

bring in someone who just does the cap and we work within a cap frame of 70-75mm$ and someone who has solid NBA experience who can put a team together.

Im thinking Donnie Nelson as GM, RC Buford as President of Operations.

donnie and rc? wow, talk about deal with the devil...the day that happens is the day i play the lotto.

i'm pretty sure stern suggested magic and isiah to dolan. i think kiki is a very attractive option. a new guy like the indy assistant may be a little over his head but i wouldn't mind that either. we need a guy that will work behind the scenes and not stand in the aisle. kiki has dealt with max deals before so he may have some experience in this situation.
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2/25/2006  10:06 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

I wonder if the plan should be to give Brown control on the roster and bring in a younger coach who is less grating and more passionate and less sarcastic.


cryz im with you. The ownership may need to go into negotiations to terminate everyone excpet scouts working on the draft--go into consultations with the nBA

bring in someone who just does the cap and we work within a cap frame of 70-75mm$ and someone who has solid NBA experience who can put a team together.

Im thinking Donnie Nelson as GM, RC Buford as President of Operations.



Do you guys understand that a cap of 75 mio you still can do anything?

This team will never be under the cap...or u just hate to see Dolan throw away his money
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2/25/2006  10:07 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


cryz im with you. The ownership may need to go into negotiations to terminate everyone excpet scouts working on the draft--go into consultations with the nBA

bring in someone who just does the cap and we work within a cap frame of 70-75mm$ and someone who has solid NBA experience who can put a team together.

Im thinking Donnie Nelson as GM, RC Buford as President of Operations.

I really like Kiki, he did a great job building the team, hired a coach that fit their style and makes smart small trades. he was never able to find the SG he needed, but when he had cap room he didn't panic and overpay Crawford and Qrich, because he didn't think they fit.

also, supposedly there's a young exec in Indiana who is hot on the list to be the next GM.

but I really think the first key before any smart moves like that can happen is to get Dolan out. I don't know if it's possible, but I hate the guy and something tells me he's the root problem here.
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2/25/2006  10:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

I wonder if the plan should be to give Brown control on the roster and bring in a younger coach who is less grating and more passionate and less sarcastic.


cryz im with you. The ownership may need to go into negotiations to terminate everyone excpet scouts working on the draft--go into consultations with the nBA

bring in someone who just does the cap and we work within a cap frame of 70-75mm$ and someone who has solid NBA experience who can put a team together.

Im thinking Donnie Nelson as GM, RC Buford as President of Operations.

donnie and rc? wow, talk about deal with the devil...the day that happens is the day i play the lotto.

i'm pretty sure stern suggested magic and isiah to dolan. i think kiki is a very attractive option. a new guy like the indy assistant may be a little over his head but i wouldn't mind that either. we need a guy that will work behind the scenes and not stand in the aisle. kiki has dealt with max deals before so he may have some experience in this situation.

well, the Toronto Raptors are on the verge of grabbing a top 5 executive. You have to think RC and Donnie have proven to be top guys--look at the Spurs and Mavericks. Donnie is their number 1 personell guy.
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2/25/2006  10:11 PM
i would love donnie and rc. just the chances of that would require divine stern intervention...
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2/25/2006  10:12 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Do you guys understand that a cap of 75 mio you still can do anything?

This team will never be under the cap...or u just hate to see Dolan throw away his money


again, I don't mind being over the cap. Indiana has been over the cap for a long time, but they never go too far over and they make shrewd moves. the most important thing is Donnie Walsh and Larry Bird have a VISION and they execute it.

I don't think this team needs to get under the cap to be fixed, but the salary situation needs to get under control. will Dolan sign off on a $150 million payroll - meaning close to $100 million in luxury tax? if he would, the Cablevision board should fire him immediately. again, this is a man who drove The Wiz out of business, an electronics store in an age where all people can do is buy hdtvs, dvds, palm pilots, cell phones and cameras. he is not a business man, his father is. Dolan is a total failure at everything he has ever done and to get the right guys in the front office, he and Mills need to go first.
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2/25/2006  10:12 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Do you guys understand that a cap of 75 mio you still can do anything?

This team will never be under the cap...or u just hate to see Dolan throw away his money

The Knicks choose not to get under the cap. Take away the Francis deal and the Knicks would be in decent shape in the 07/08 season.
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2/25/2006  10:13 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i would love donnie and rc. just the chances of that would require divine stern intervention...

Agreed. I don't see Buford leaving San Antonio. Donnie Nelson, maybe. Unless he remembers his dad being fired for being 34-25 here. 34-25. I can't even comprehend that anymore.

I think Kiki is a viable option. He likes Brown from what I know and he's a free agent and he was a Knick.
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2/25/2006  10:15 PM
Given the cap problems, this job isn't sought after. Dolan will only hire someone who guarantees him the team will make the playoffs next year.
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2/25/2006  10:18 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

i would love donnie and rc. just the chances of that would require divine stern intervention...

Agreed. I don't see Buford leaving San Antonio. Donnie Nelson, maybe. Unless he remembers his dad being fired for being 34-25 here. 34-25. I can't even comprehend that anymore.

I think Kiki is a viable option. He likes Brown from what I know and he's a free agent and he was a Knick.

I like Donnie Nelson. he's been a tremendous draft picker and talent evaluator--dirk josh Howard Devin Harris Marquis daniels out of the garbage dump trade for terry he signed Diop over us, he has dealt with huge contracts. don nelson never worked with cap space--hes more o a viable candidate than Kiki--kiki hasnt drafted that great--anyone couldve picked carmello 3 he got lucky with camby a bit and he had huge cap room. nelson doesnt work with high draft picks or cap room--thats the kind of man we need.
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2/25/2006  10:19 PM
Posted by Rich:

Given the cap problems, this job isn't sought after. Dolan will only hire someone who guarantees him the team will make the playoffs next year.

I don't know. It's one of the highest profile teams in the league. Anyone who fixed this mess would be hailed as a hero.

But whoever came in would probably need a guarantee that they could actually rebuild and be able to dump contracts for two seasons.
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2/25/2006  10:19 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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If I ws Isiah right now, Id be man enough to step down--save some face--it didn't workout. Sometimes jobs don't workout--you have to look yourself in the mirror and say these guys paid me well, and I didnt get it done, for whatever reason it s not working out. Sometimes you take one for the team, regroup and find something else. Isiah is a big name in sports, he can find something after a bit of time away--perhaps as a head coach. he's a money man--he knows how to make it, he has it in the nBA, so he'll land right back on his feet-but hes done here. Now does he have the manhood and guts to s tep down?



You know if you replaced Isiah's name with Brown in the last paragraph, it would work as well?


you could say that for pretty much the entire organization. but this mess is Isiah's fault. don't try to blame anyone else.

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2/25/2006  10:21 PM
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If I ws Isiah right now, Id be man enough to step down--save some face--it didn't workout. Sometimes jobs don't workout--you have to look yourself in the mirror and say these guys paid me well, and I didnt get it done, for whatever reason it s not working out. Sometimes you take one for the team, regroup and find something else. Isiah is a big name in sports, he can find something after a bit of time away--perhaps as a head coach. he's a money man--he knows how to make it, he has it in the nBA, so he'll land right back on his feet-but hes done here. Now does he have the manhood and guts to s tep down?



You know if you replaced Isiah's name with Brown in the last paragraph, it would work as well?


you could say that for pretty much the entire organization. but this mess is Isiah's fault. don't try to blame anyone else.

Welcome to the Light. Only Kool-Aid addicts can't see it at this point.

I admit to buying into Isiah's BS for far too long. But Isiah has killed even my hope at this point. It took two years, but he's completely killed it.
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2/25/2006  10:21 PM
islesfan is starting to look like a prophet.

The only problem is: Why should I bother to watch any more games this season....?

Or next?


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2/26/2006  12:42 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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I would pay some good money to get tapes of Curry's and Crawford's games 1 year before they became Knicks and see what Isiah was seeing. Both of these guys are his prize possesions and they both SUCK.


Worse, he said that Curry was a once every twenty year talent and that to go to a finals you need a jamal crawford.


I do think that Curry can have solid value-in fact I think we can get a nice package for him

well briggs, IT was right about that, I don't think the league has seen a big man with this much ability suck so badly and play so inconsistently, so I guess he is correct there... LOL....

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2/26/2006  2:29 AM
ya i agree.

isiah is the one that's touting curry as the franchise center. if he traded him, he'd look like a complete fool.


if we barely win 20 games, there's a good possibility he'll be fired, especially with the lawsuit and all.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/26/2006  9:53 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah should step down and take the indiana coaching job. his salesman skills will help in the recruiting department and he always said he wanted to coach again. the position is open and he can really save face by taking it.


great?!?!?!?!?? minds think alike?!?!?!

Hoosier Heaven Could Save Isiah
by Peter Vescey

February 26, 2006 -- TURNS out Larry Brown got confused; he thought Isiah Thomas told him he could get Bevo Francis.

How can Stevie Knicks and Stephon Marbury be the "most expensive backcourt in league history" as everyone keeps saying/writing, when the salaries of Penny Hardaway and Allan Houston are larger than that of Francis? As I recall, both occasionally were hooked on Stephonics.

It's not all bad news for Thomas. The Indiana University coaching position comes open after this season. Before he came to New York, Thomas had serious conversations with IU officials about replacing Mike Davis. Thomas can't manufacture a more flawless face-saving excuse to bolt the Knicks than to accept (if offered) his "dream job."

Imagine if Thomas does in Bloomington what he's done in the shadow of Bloomingdale's! The Hoosiers figure to plummet to Division III in about a month-and-a-half.

This just in: F Troop has asked James Dolan for permission to interview Larry Storch, er, Brown.
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2/26/2006  9:59 AM
^^^ i could see isiah not even wanting an extension and doing that. i think he would prefer to coach anyways.
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2/26/2006  10:29 AM
It'll be just like when he left the CBA in shambles. I can already imagine his press conference, talking about how proud he is that he left here with the team rebuilt and in such great shape for the future. And I'm sure some of the Kool-Aid drinkers here are going to be sucking up to him until the very end, agreeing with him.
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2/26/2006  10:49 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BRIGGS:

If I ws Isiah right now, Id be man enough to step down--save some face--it didn't workout. Sometimes jobs don't workout--you have to look yourself in the mirror and say these guys paid me well, and I didnt get it done, for whatever reason it s not working out. Sometimes you take one for the team, regroup and find something else. Isiah is a big name in sports, he can find something after a bit of time away--perhaps as a head coach. he's a money man--he knows how to make it, he has it in the nBA, so he'll land right back on his feet-but hes done here. Now does he have the manhood and guts to s tep down?



You know if you replaced Isiah's name with Brown in the last paragraph, it would work as well?


you could say that for pretty much the entire organization. but this mess is Isiah's fault. don't try to blame anyone else.

Welcome to the Light. Only Kool-Aid addicts can't see it at this point.

I admit to buying into Isiah's BS for far too long. But Isiah has killed even my hope at this point. It took two years, but he's completely killed it.

Exactly the same thing has happened to me... The same thing...
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