Posted by martin:

OK this is good. Everyone has a grade but no one - including myself - put any real criteria by which they are judging Brown. Maybe Fish did.

Let's see. Curry missed training camp and hadn't as much as gotten on a bike for 8 months. Q was injured during training camp. JJ was fat and still is. Marb has been hurt for a month now. 3 rooks. No one can hit an outside shot. No SF.

What is he supposed to do with that mess?

Brown has a particular style that he wants to play, just like Phil Jackson, Pop, VG, Avery and some others. He has a group of guys that have nary a clue to be able to play basketball no less that system.

Are these excuses or just plain fact? I guess that's in the beholder. Set rotations? who cares. Minutes? Rooks have been getting theirs.

Expectations set too high? Too low?

Brown talking too much with the media? We kill Layden for not talking to the media. The media will turn and twist anyone who does talk to them. So which do you want?

Also, I want to know who has been to the practices to be able to judge day in and day out what is happening and what is being taught versus what the PLAYERS are executing. Big freakin difference.

Posted by djsunyc:

hey, at the end of the day, for a GM, it's wins and losses. isiah gets an F in that department.

Posted by martin:

Posted by djsunyc:

hey, at the end of the day, for a GM, it's wins and losses. isiah gets an F in that department.

This past year Isiah drafted Lee, Frye, Nate and traded Ariza for Stevie and you give him an F?

So we can slate Jerry Colangelo an F for next year cause the Rators are pretty much gonna suck recordwise?

and sof far out of all of those moves, we have frye and curry to show for it. but they are not winning yet nor can we say they will win. there is no cap flexibility in sight and chances of lottery picks for 3 of the next 5 years are gone. and of those players you mentioned, how many are gonna stay? as of RIGHT NOW, he gets an F. you go based on results and they speak for themselves. ANOTHER roster overhaul is needed and is on the way. the record is WORSE this year than last year.

if the raptors have a WORSE record next year, then colangelo gets an F. if the raptors do have a better record, and they probably will, then you judge what he's done then.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by djsunyc:

hey, at the end of the day, for a GM, it's wins and losses. isiah gets an F in that department.
for coaches, wins and losses are important as well as player development and instilling a system. based on the results so far, if it was anyone else, they would get a D/F. but since it IS lb, and he's the only one that has a resume, you have to give him the benefit of the doubt FOR NOW so his grade is incomplete.

both those grades can change dramatically over the summer and into next season.

How is that possible?...If you can grade Isiah an F...then how does Larry not get an F?

The coach is responsible for wins and losses....The GM is graded on talent he assembles, how can you twist that? which is what everyone is doing......The coach has not done the job in any catagory that you think are important....But he has a resume, so it's ok.....

Posted by holfresh:

A GM needs more time than a coach needs because you have to give him time to impliment his plan....Isiah at the moment is incomplete because the talent he assembled has not taken hold here...We don't know who Curry is, nor Frye or Lee for that matter....It's up to Brown to find out....So far, Brown has not been doing a goood job of that...He also has an imcomplete grade.....But if you are going to grade Isiah, then Larry gets one as well, even in half a season...No one could have done a worse job so far..No one....I want to give Larry time but he is making it really difficult...

Posted by martin:

Posted by JayNYC:

I'd grade him on different subjects..

I'd give him an A- for his attempts at teaching fundementals. Understanding that Defense wins championships.. and half court teams are generally more effective in th NBA.

I'd grade F- for willingness to play with the talent he's been given. This is a fast break, Uptempo style team.. we got players that have to pound the ball. Let them play like that... His stubborness/ or committment to Larry Ball (Whichever way you wanna say it ) has contributed to this teams miserable record.

I am down with these grades. Makes sense, and maybe even the A- is too high.

Posted by martin:

Posted by BigC:

Even if players were not hurt, Larry would have been playing around with our lineups. I guess people forgot when Larry was starting players based on their hometown and if it was their birthday. Does that sound like a person serious about winning.

People say Larry is a teacher and Motivator as a coach. So let's go with that.

If he is a teacher in the classroom and not one of his students show signs of being motivated or learning, would anyone say that teacher is doing a good job?

If Larry is a teacher then his students are not being taught. Therefore Larry has to come with a new lesson plan for a different group kids (players) every year. What every teacher should know is, you have to adjust your teaching style (playbook) with the group of students or players that are in your classroom or the team. You keep things that have work in the past and come up with new schemes and techniques to get your students or players motivated.

If Larry old plays are not working with this team he has to make the adjustment as any good teacher knows how to do. He was putting down this team before the season even started.

People forgot there were many games that Larry would play 12 guys in the first quarter. How can any team build chemistry like that?

[Edited by - BigC on 02-25-2006 12:50 PM]

when do the players get called out for not playing? Or is it always the coach?

Posted by McK1:

and 07 when all Layden's contracts expire - free agents Bosh Wade James Melo for starters