I saw a TV report on ESPN at one of the parties and there were pleny of white girls dresses as hookers.

That was not mean spirited humor. Cultural satire is different than racism.

I thought Layden was also kinda hated by blacks because he was white. Yeah he sucked, but it got pretty heated.

Isiah's issues are not racial. He has been given opportunities because he was a Black Superstar that might not have gone. First black owner (partial) of an NBA franchise. Yeah, thats Isiah. What he did or did not do with it speaks for itself. He was a head coach with no prior experience. Why, cuz he is Isiah, superstar, and champion! I don't think race was anything, but he got the gig. Got to buy a league. Never ran a league before. Got named GM. Never been that either.
Why do people dislike him? Lots of reasons. Maybe he is not all he presents himself to be. He got left off the olympic team not cuz of race, cuz he crossed Mike.

THe NBA allstar brings out many black entertainment stars and it all comes together. And yeah, its different.

Is Rashards demand to bring in 30 people racist?
Was Oak, whom is loved by many degraded? This man has created an image and enjoys it. We love Oak!

Racism works both ways. Equality has its rewards, and its prices.

Humor is fine and dandy, but whenever white people make comments whether joking, or not, about black people, the issue of racism HAS to come into play, because of the realities of society.



Come on, when Dave Chappelle jokes about white people, I view it as funny.
maybe there are some white people who don't think so, but that's their problem. same thing with this guy, he's trying to be funny--that his schtick.

Racism is when a white college student from WVU tells Hilton Armstrong to "go back to Africa" or when a black person who has the intent of stealing a car, instead decides to tie up a white family, cut the throats of 2 and 4 year old girls and then set them on fire. The only logical explanation is there is a learned racical hatred to commit such an act.

I really do not think humor,for the MOST part---no matter race creed, color belongs in the same class. I'm Jewish. I took some heat at certain points in my younger years, and of course I have heard many jokes in my life. I try to look at the progressive maturing of our people as a whole instead of focusing on what was in the past. Nothing changes overnight, but we have made great strides and will continue to do so as a whole. Can't have a negative spin on everything.

As far as Isiah, I think that Scottie Layden took it much much harder. I think fans do discriminate, they hate losing

Posted by joec32033:

Racism is when a white college student from WVU tells Hilton Armstrong to "go back to Africa" or when a black person who has the intent of stealing a car, instead decides to tie up a white family, cut the throats of 2 and 4 year old girls and then set them on fire. The only logical explanation is there is a learned racical hatred to commit such an act.

The degrees of separation on both of those incidents is ridicoulous.....i may be just nit picking here, but how about the go back to Africa incident and A black guy calling a white guy a cracker?

absolutely, no comparison in any terms, whatsoever. Just showing example of true racism--from one extreme--verbal--to the worst extreme-- violence. I dont think reasonable satirical humor needs to be bunched in. BUT let's not downplay verbal racism because it's still a serious subject which can lead to violence.

Posted by simrud:

And btw, sayin that its ok for black people to make racist jokes but not ok for white people to do the same is pretty lame. If a joke is truly racist, then you know what, maybe nobody should be makin it.

Agreed 100%. The double standard in this country is a joke.

Posted by BigSm00th:

Bro, he called it the black super bowl because thats what JA Adande calls it.

"L.A. Times columnist J.A. Adande e-mailed me just to say, "Have fun at the black Super Bowl.""

JA ADANDE is BLACK. Get over yourself.

I've already commented on why I believe it does not matter if a black writer said it first, and why the way in which Simmons made a joke about it, wondering "who knows what could happen at the black superbowl" smells of racism.

I mean why bother asking that qustion at all? Do we ask those types of questions about the "white superbowl," like "Ohhh..I wonder what could happen there!?"

I think it is clear that the reason he made that joke is to imply that somehow "the black superbowl" was going to be wild, and exotic, or something to that extent, which coming from the pen of a white person (not this black journalist who suppossedly coined the term "black superbowl") is quite reminiscent of how historically white people have refered to blacks as wild animals who have no self control.

I am amazed the degredation of women in many a rap video.

What about self exploitation?

Black Superbowl is about the celebration and events speak for themselves.

There are dumb asses in every race.

Can I say dental "grillz" is the stupidest excessive tacky thing I have ever seen without being racist? Just curious.

Nothing personal either, and I wasn't necessarily pointing you out specifically but I suppose we have a different view of what defensive is. I simply stated an alternative point of view on the issue of racism, and what seemed to me as instead of thinking much about it, it seemed that some were a bit reactionary, and dismissive of this perspective without either knowledge of the view I presented or interest in considering this viewpoint.

I understand the popular view of what racism is defined as, and actually shared that view for many years until I had several eye opening discussions and experiences with those who presented this alternative view of racism.

I'm also not exactly clear about how my saying that when white people say "I like black people" or Hip-Hop or Jazz, or whatever that is racist in nature. My point was that when "liberal" white people often say "I have black friends" or "a black person said the same thing, why can't I say it" that this is seeded in the roots of our racist society.

For example when I was the only white teacher in a school of all non-white children, and all non-white teachers, was my being their an example of paternalism? Where white people think they can show non-whites what's better? I felt a HUGE sense of tension in my school from students and some faculty regarding who they saw me as. People have said the same thing about the Peace Corps, and the Iraq war as a form of Neo-Colonialism, where "We good white people are going to teach you non-whites how to be civilized." This issue exists in many urban schools and with social work as well, which is where, typically, white women work with non-white communities. You may have heard of the tension involving ACS in NYC where many people in poor, non-white communities see ACS as racist white people taking their children away.

Even if this isn't the only thing that's going on, the fact that the perception is there is all that matters. It's there because inequality still exists based on color, and we are a HIGHLY segregated society, even good-ol "liberal" NYC, where my students in the Bronx would refer to Manhattan as "Where all the white people live."

I think pretty much ALL white people and non-whites cannot help but be affected by or involved in supporting rascism, in their behavior, attitudes, workplace, etc. and not in a way that fits the view of racism that involves overt acts of racist behavior.

Sure, some things have improved, and their are people who have and are still working on progress, but I think we are in a more dire situation now because the issue is viewed by most white people, in particular as an issue that only appears in its overt name-calling form, when systematic, deep seeded psychological/societal and institutional racism are quite prevalant.

My way of being progressive is to challenge people, particularly white people, on this issue because I believe it is still a VERY powerful force that is maintaining a system of white supremacy (not in the way the KKK definies this, btw).

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