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2/19/2006  10:08 PM
My assessment wasn't Lenny was a worse coach then Larry, it was that in his time here it seemes Lenny lost touch. Lenny was the alot like larry 10 years before he got here...in Toronto he showed signs of losing it unlike Larry who basically came here at his peak...It was also reported Lenny forgot plays and situations on the floor.
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2/19/2006  10:45 PM
Larry's way too fickle to have him involved in personnel decsions as the main guy. Look at his lineups...I have no doubt that if he had that power he would have tried to trade everyone on our roster at some point. Also the LB type players are old veterans like Snow or Ratliff whom I want no part of.
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2/19/2006  11:03 PM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Larry's way too fickle to have him involved in personnel decsions as the main guy. Look at his lineups...I have no doubt that if he had that power he would have tried to trade everyone on our roster at some point. Also the LB type players are old veterans like Snow or Ratliff whom I want no part of.



Yes, and I agree with you. But let's tune ourselves out of being a fan and look at this like a business. Larry Brown is not an average coach and they invested 50mm$ in him. Whether we all think his personell decisions MIGHT be crazy--should he be allowed to coach atleast some of the players he feels would help the team win? If we look at every credential from everyone involved with the Knicks, the only successful piece in management is Larry. Its like hiring a CEO and then puting handcuffs on his reigns. Isiah went out and got this guy, now I think, for better or worse that he should be given what he wants. We ALL may not agree with it, but hes the guy who is running the Knicks.

And look at his complaint to Dolan--Mr Dolan I know how to win--you cant win with these players. Checkmate
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2/20/2006  12:05 AM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Larry's way too fickle to have him involved in personnel decsions as the main guy. Look at his lineups...I have no doubt that if he had that power he would have tried to trade everyone on our roster at some point. Also the LB type players are old veterans like Snow or Ratliff whom I want no part of.

Total agree.
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2/20/2006  7:49 AM
Stop throwing out names like Wilkens and Williams in the same sentence as Brown. Lenny was a .500 coach who won 1000 games (lost almost as many) a nice guy, a smart guy, a good guy but never considered among the elite. Similar nice things could be said about Herb but he is still learning. Larry, on the other hand is considered among the all time greats, has turned around virtually every situation at all levels.

More than any other person in the knx organization, he has proven he knows how to win. Even with the Jets, Parcells brought in some guys who were maintainers just to help transition the team until the mix was right and younger players developed. Half a season doesn't do it.

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2/20/2006  11:26 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

Larry's way too fickle to have him involved in personnel decsions as the main guy. Look at his lineups...I have no doubt that if he had that power he would have tried to trade everyone on our roster at some point. Also the LB type players are old veterans like Snow or Ratliff whom I want no part of.

Yes, and I agree with you. But let's tune ourselves out of being a fan and look at this like a business. Larry Brown is not an average coach and they invested 50mm$ in him. Whether we all think his personell decisions MIGHT be crazy--should he be allowed to coach atleast some of the players he feels would help the team win? If we look at every credential from everyone involved with the Knicks, the only successful piece in management is Larry. Its like hiring a CEO and then puting handcuffs on his reigns. Isiah went out and got this guy, now I think, for better or worse that he should be given what he wants. We ALL may not agree with it, but hes the guy who is running the Knicks.

And look at his complaint to Dolan--Mr Dolan I know how to win--you cant win with these players. Checkmate


That is where you are wrong...Laryy is not the CEO....Businesswise, Larry has never had the title as GM and was never successful at it....The only power the Larry wields is the size of his contract...

Otherwise, we would be talking about whether or not Larry should last out the season as coach of the NY Knicks...Are you really that amazed at Larry's success in the NBA? Really? The guy has won one championship with a team that he highjacked from Carlisle...Detroit will win again this year without Larry, I guess you will be amazed at that too....

Larry is not management, he is a coach....And so far he has not done a good job and now you want to give him a promotion....nice....reminds me of the movie office space......The only reason we are talking about this now is because in NY, Isiah could never be the man here, no matter what success he has, he doesn't have a chance here....The guy brought you a center and a point guard that you didn't had before...They don't grow on trees...and quite possibly the best draft of anyone last season....Your thanks, appoint Larry as GM...nice..I just love NY.....




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2/20/2006  11:32 AM
Posted by holfresh:


That is where you are wrong...Laryy is not the CEO....Businesswise, Larry has never had the title as GM and was never successful at it....The only power the Larry wields is the size of his contract...

Otherwise, we would be talking about whether or not Larry should last out the season as coach of the NY Knicks...Are you really that amazed at Larry's success in the NBA? Really? The guy has won one championship with a team that he highjacked from Carlisle...Detroit will win again this year without Larry, I guess you will be amazed at that too....

Larry is not management, he is a coach....And so far he has not done a good job and now you want to give him a promotion....nice....reminds me of the movie office space......The only reason we are talking about this now is because in NY, Isiah could never be the man here, no matter what success he has, he doesn't have a chance here....The guy brought you a center and a point guard that you didn't had before...They don't grow on trees...and quite possibly the best draft of anyone last season....Your thanks, appoint Larry as GM...nice..I just love NY.....




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[Edited by - holfresh on 02-20-2006 11:30 AM]


Larry Brown was the Coach of the 76ers AS WELL as the Vice President of Basketball Operations so infact your wrong about him having no knowledge of the business aspect because he brought the 76ers to the Finals as Coach and VP of Basketball Operations. Your hate blinds you.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-20-2006 11:33 AM]
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2/20/2006  11:36 AM
Larry Brown has enough responsibility maintaining the focus and energy of HIS players.

Why add to what's already on Larry Brown's plate?

Why the rush to sabotage Isiah Thomas' ability to do his job?

As evidenced in the auditions and endless rotations, this season is simply an extended training camp.

Get with the program.
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2/20/2006  11:40 AM
Apparently, Brown is already calling around the league to broker trades, at least that is what several newspapers have been reporting.

Brown has added to his plate himself!
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2/20/2006  11:45 AM
Holfresh is right. Parcells hasn't won a championship as a coach/GM.
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2/20/2006  11:46 AM
Posted by bigbeast:

Apparently, Brown is already calling around the league to broker trades, at least that is what several newspapers have been reporting.

Brown has added to his plate himself!

Brown has always made calls around the league.
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2/20/2006  11:57 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


That is where you are wrong...Laryy is not the CEO....Businesswise, Larry has never had the title as GM and was never successful at it....The only power the Larry wields is the size of his contract...

Otherwise, we would be talking about whether or not Larry should last out the season as coach of the NY Knicks...Are you really that amazed at Larry's success in the NBA? Really? The guy has won one championship with a team that he highjacked from Carlisle...Detroit will win again this year without Larry, I guess you will be amazed at that too....

Larry is not management, he is a coach....And so far he has not done a good job and now you want to give him a promotion....nice....reminds me of the movie office space......The only reason we are talking about this now is because in NY, Isiah could never be the man here, no matter what success he has, he doesn't have a chance here....The guy brought you a center and a point guard that you didn't had before...They don't grow on trees...and quite possibly the best draft of anyone last season....Your thanks, appoint Larry as GM...nice..I just love NY.....




[Edited by - holfresh on 02-20-2006 11:28 AM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-20-2006 11:29 AM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-20-2006 11:30 AM]


Larry Brown was the Coach of the 76ers AS WELL as the Vice President of Basketball Operations so infact your wrong about him having no knowledge of the business aspect because he brought the 76ers to the Finals as Coach and VP of Basketball Operations. Your hate blinds you.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-20-2006 11:33 AM]



Larry did not have the GM post....One year the team didn't have a GM...That was the 97-98 seanson...Billy Knight was hired the following season...

You are probally right about my hate.....I just can't understand for the life of me that a guy who has coached this team to at 15-37 record where all the love for this guy has come from....My thing is this..I don't care who you are...If it was Herb, I'll be saying the same thing,Lenny, the same thing...Larry does not get a pass in my eye...Frankly, his career has not impressed me at all...He has not earned what you guys want to give him...He took Philly to the championship yest, the eastern conference was very bad....The Nets got to two championship, Do you want to give Byron Scott the GM job as well? Detroit would have gotten to the championship with Carlisle once they got Sheed...
I really don't get it....

U are right...I am hating Larry right now because he is doing what he can right now to bury Isiah...
He wants to run the team and he will stop at nothing....
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2/20/2006  12:02 PM
I just love how Larry bury all his players in the press..That is why they play so hard for him...I just love how it's never his fault...I just love how he bury the Olympic team...I justlove what he did to Iverson's image....Iverson wa a bad guy until Larry left Philly, then the world really saw what a hard working guy Iverson was...In the beginning he burried Steph, the press hated Steph, now they can't wait to get Steph back....Is it just my imagination?
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2/20/2006  12:13 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Larry did not have the GM post....One year the team didn't have a GM...That was the 97-98 seanson...Billy Knight was hired the following season...

You are probally right about my hate.....I just can't understand for the life of me that a guy who has coached this team to at 15-37 record where all the love for this guy has come from....My thing is this..I don't care who you are...If it was Herb, I'll be saying the same thing,Lenny, the same thing...Larry does not get a pass in my eye...Frankly, his career has not impressed me at all...He has not earned what you guys want to give him...He took Philly to the championship yest, the eastern conference was very bad....The Nets got to two championship, Do you want to give Byron Scott the GM job as well? Detroit would have gotten to the championship with Carlisle once they got Sheed...
I really don't get it....

U are right...I am hating Larry right now because he is doing what he can right now to bury Isiah...
He wants to run the team and he will stop at nothing....

It just seems like all your "facts" are just opinions and excuses. You say that Larry Brown brought the 76ers to the finals even though the East sucked, well so what? They got their and lost one of the best dynasties the NBA has ever seen in the Lakers. The current Detroit Pistons are a damn good basketball team and beat the Lakers (a dynasty) 4 games to 1 and then came back the following year and lost to another outstanding team(the Spurs) in 7 games, that is no fluke. I don't get how you can say that the Pistons would have gotten to the Finals both years with Carlisle coaching, that is an opinion and your presenting it like a fact. Whether you like Brown or not, he's going to have things done HIS way while he's here and I'd rather have them done the Larry Brown way than the Isiah Thomas way because Isiah Thomas has shown that up to this point that he isn't a very good GM. Larry Brown has won and has won with players of a certain ilk, let him bring them in.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Larry did not have the GM post....One year the team didn't have a GM...That was the 97-98 seanson...Billy Knight was hired the following season...

You are probally right about my hate.....I just can't understand for the life of me that a guy who has coached this team to at 15-37 record where all the love for this guy has come from....My thing is this..I don't care who you are...If it was Herb, I'll be saying the same thing,Lenny, the same thing...Larry does not get a pass in my eye...Frankly, his career has not impressed me at all...He has not earned what you guys want to give him...He took Philly to the championship yest, the eastern conference was very bad....The Nets got to two championship, Do you want to give Byron Scott the GM job as well? Detroit would have gotten to the championship with Carlisle once they got Sheed...
I really don't get it....

U are right...I am hating Larry right now because he is doing what he can right now to bury Isiah...
He wants to run the team and he will stop at nothing....

It just seems like all your "facts" are just opinions and excuses. You say that Larry Brown brought the 76ers to the finals even though the East sucked, well so what? They got their and lost one of the best dynasties the NBA has ever seen in the Lakers. The current Detroit Pistons are a damn good basketball team and beat the Lakers (a dynasty) 4 games to 1 and then came back the following year and lost to another outstanding team(the Spurs) in 7 games, that is no fluke. I don't get how you can say that the Pistons would have gotten to the Finals both years with Carlisle coaching, that is an opinion and your presenting it like a fact. Whether you like Brown or not, he's going to have things done HIS way while he's here and I'd rather have them done the Larry Brown way than the Isiah Thomas way because Isiah Thomas has shown that up to this point that he isn't a very good GM. Larry Brown has won and has won with players of a certain ilk, let him bring them in.



Well watch Detroit get to the finals this year without Larry....

I hope you are here posting as well when he trades you favorite young players for retreads of a "certain ilk"....
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2/20/2006  12:31 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Well watch Detroit get to the finals this year without Larry....

I hope you are here posting as well when he trades you favorite young players for retreads of a "certain ilk"....

I've been posting here much longer than you; I'm not going anywhere.

I don't care who gets traded as long as the Knicks become a contender for the Championship again and if Brown thinks certain players can do that then I'm all for it. I want to see a championship and I don't care how its achieved.

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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Well watch Detroit get to the finals this year without Larry....

I hope you are here posting as well when he trades you favorite young players for retreads of a "certain ilk"....

I've been posting here much longer than you; I'm not going anywhere.

I don't care who gets traded as long as the Knicks become a contender for the Championship again and if Brown thinks certain players can do that then I'm all for it. I want to see a championship and I don't care how its achieved.



Good, I'll be able to find you then....We have tried that move for veteran players under Layden, Not to say that Larry is anywhere close to what layden is...I give him alot more credit than that...But this is the Knicks....Players for the Knicks are home grown or are here when they are young and grow into being a Knick...They bleed Blue and Orange...Like Ewing,like Oakley,like Starks, like Mason..
Do you really want to see Ratliff in Knick uniform....Do you really want to see Eric Snow here...
Do you really think those guys are going to take us back to the glory days?...If I liked those guys I would have been a Philly fan 10 years ago......Those guys are going to be out the league in 2 years and Larry wants to bring them here????
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2/20/2006  12:55 PM
as long as you don't Isiah the draft picks, the tree of youth is replenishable.

Rather have guys learning from a Snow and Ratliff than a Crawford or Jerome James.
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2/20/2006  1:03 PM
Why is it when people bring up the bad about Isiah you always see Jerome James right after that...How about Curry, How about Marbs, How abt Frye, How about Lee, How abt Ariza,How about Nate,
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Posted by McK1:

as long as you don't Isiah the draft picks, the tree of youth is replenishable.

Rather have guys learning from a Snow and Ratliff than a Crawford or Jerome James.

Bro, Ratliff right now is averaging 4.6 pts and 5.1 reb per game....Are you kidding me....I really think Jerome would do a better job....Jerome is a decent defender....But Larry will never play him..It's part of his plan to harpoon Isiah....
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