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SlimPack
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2/19/2006  4:23 PM
Posted by misterearl:

SlimPack - what qualities define a Larry Brown player?

And if Sheed ain't a Larry Brown player, how can Frye be one?

I'm confused

a player who can keep his man in front of him, likes to play defense, only takes good shots, shares the ball and values each possesion. or maybe not I dont know, I always thought that there where types of players that larry liked and those that he didnt like becuase I remember him wanting to trade alot of talented players like AI, and Larry Hughes, and whoever else, so I assumed that there was a LB type of player, but I could be wrong about that. anyway Im guessing frye isnt a LB type player.


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2/19/2006  4:55 PM
NYKniCksFan87 - other than techincal fouls, what "trouble" has Rasheed been in?

SlimPack - what basketball coach on earth do you knwo that DOESN'T like a player who can keep his man in front of him, likes to play defense, only takes good shots, shares the ball and values each possesion?

The Larry Brown player thing is a myth created to feed the hypebole.

Is Tracy McGrady a Larry Brown type player?

Keven Garnett?

Kobe?

You think he would pass on any of them if Isiah suggested a deal was possible?

It would seem that a Larry Brown player could be molded easiuer from an impreessionable college player than a player from another system. Malik Rose is a "Larry Brown player" because he heard the rants and doesn't take them personally. He been in playoff series' that matter... with the Spurs...

That don't make him a BETTER player for what the Knicks need at the four.

Ain't no such thing as a Larry Brown player.
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2/19/2006  5:35 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Malik Rose is a "Larry Brown player" because he heard the rants and doesn't take them personally. He been in playoff series' that matter... with the Spurs...

actualy malik rose has been bad mouthing larry in the papers recently. but thats probably neither here nor there. anyway certain coaches place varying levels of importance on the list of things that I mentioned. and their just theories anyway. also I disagree with what you said about kobe, I think larry brown would do anything to have him traded if he were LA coach, remember larry wanted nothing more than to trade AI, and he got really close to doing so too. why would larry want to trade someone as talented as him unless there are just certian types of players that he likes and certain ones he doesnt like? and for that matter why did he bench bron, melo, and wade in the olympics? for the record though I think tmac, and kg on the other hand I think could play for larry w/o him wanting to trade them.



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2/19/2006  5:38 PM
^The team still would like to trade AI and AI still hasn't won anything without Larry Brown... Larry Brown isn't the only person to trade Hughes or let him sign somewhere else--he was just the first and for that I consider him a pioneer in the field of identifying overrated talent.
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2/19/2006  7:58 PM
SlimPack - how can you say with certainty that Larry would not communicate with Kobe like he did with Billups....

... or simply leave him alone to play ball?

Do you REALLY know how Brown thinks, or how he works for that matter?
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2/19/2006  8:00 PM
i agree, i don't think there's a "larry brown player" persay. i think he's been around long enough to know whether a guy can go on the defensive end or not. and that's what he's probably looking for. he's old school and blatantly says if you got a bunch of young kids playing together, it's a "recipe for failure." that's fine. he wants some more experienced players in there and easing the rooks into the rotation. but again, our vets suck.
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2/19/2006  8:33 PM
Larry Brown type of player = team player x player who is willing to be coached.

It's a simple equation. A bad as Rasheed was he is still was/is still a VERY intelligent man (which with all the trouble he has been in it doesn't seem that way). Rasheed actually transformed his game when he came to Detroit. He played a full on team game and listened to his coach.
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2/20/2006  8:26 AM
joec32033 - that's baloney on Rasheed. What "trouble" was he ever in?

Can you cite the violations?

Wallace's game was NOT transformed in Detroit. He simply played next to better players. An experience he was familliar with from his days at North Carolina. You think he listened to Dean Smith?

Players are willing to be coached because coaches control the thing they covet most. Minutes. The question is CAN they PERFORM to the expectations of the coach? That is an issue of talent and the application of that talent.

Players that conflict with coaches are generally gone as soon as someone better is available..

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2/20/2006  8:45 AM
Posted by misterearl:

joec32033 - that's baloney on Rasheed. What "trouble" was he ever in?

Can you cite the violations?

Wallace's game was NOT transformed in Detroit. He simply played next to better players. An experience he was familliar with from his days at North Carolina. You think he listened to Dean Smith?

Players are willing to be coached because coaches control the thing they covet most. Minutes. The question is CAN they PERFORM to the expectations of the coach? That is an issue of talent and the application of that talent.

Players that conflict with coaches are generally gone as soon as someone better is available..

What trouble has Rasheed ever been in? Is that a serious question or is it retorical?

Problems with teammates constantly, arguing wioth refs constantly, remember he lead the league in T's like 3 years running, Arrested for possession(http://www.portlandtribune.com/archold.cgi?id=15264), Himself throwing a ball and nailing Boumtje-Boumtje in the face and laughing about it, Threatening a referee (After the game, Rasheed Wallace confronted Donaghy outside of the Rose Garden, and apparently threatened him. No physical contact was actually made, but the deed was done. http://www.sportspages.com/content/blog.php?p=386&more=1)--He was suspended 7 games for this.., being a major off the court distraction with outspoken stements(http://www.allsports.com/cgi-bin/showstory.cgi?story_id=46947). He has toned down his game and his antics bro...this is just a snapshot from google in a couple of minutes.


Rasheed now doesn't complain as much (if at all), and is a total team player which he wasn't in Portland. Rasheed is a follower here....he has stron leaders in Rip, Ben and Chauncey and when brown was there he was a North Carolina connection who learned from Dean Smith.

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2/20/2006  9:44 AM
These are Larry Brown typed players..

Mostly veteran players that plays hard nosed defense, play the right way, confident, preferably defensive -minded.. Not afraid to take hard criticism from the coach and rebounds the ball..

Iverson,snow,mutumbo,lynch, raja bell.

Mckey, Davis bros, workman,

wallaces, billups,prince..

Qyntel woods is a larry brown typed player cause not only does he rebounds the ball but can dee someone up.

Frye eventually will be a larry brown typed player cause he's one of those young talented players that has lots of room for growth... Chris Paul would've been a larry typed players.

Frye is learning under one of the best coaches in the NBA coming outta college.. Within 2 yrs under brown, he'll be a nice player in the NBA..
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2/20/2006  10:34 AM
WOODMANnYk - I like Qyntel as well. At 6'8, with a fluid jumper, he is just now learning how to focus his diverse skill-set. I look forwartd to him with a Knicks Summer and training camp under his belt. He's a double-double waiting to erupt.

Iverson a Larry Brown player? Howcum they fought so much?

... would you consider Kobe a larry Brown player?
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