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2/15/2006  10:09 PM
Um.....just to recap

Indy wanted Frye for Artest
LA wants Frye for Odom
Denver wants Frye for KMart

other than Artest who is the absolute best unstable player in the league we are talking about borderline All-Stars. Someone other than just "media outlets" think the kid can play.
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2/15/2006  10:17 PM
2 good rebounding performances keep it up. minutes should be increased in the 2nd half
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2/15/2006  10:46 PM
Posted by joec32033:

Um.....just to recap

Indy wanted Frye for Artest
LA wants Frye for Odom
Denver wants Frye for KMart

other than Artest who is the absolute best unstable player in the league we are talking about borderline All-Stars. Someone other than just "media outlets" think the kid can play.
They are all rumors Joe. Artest for traded for Peja. Both of them are much better than Frye. Kmart is too injury prone. He doesnt have any post moves to fall back on if he loses his athleticism. Basically, Frye is still being overated unless you buy into a rumor that mentioned an Artest for Frye swap. I agree with Guns. Frye needs to rebound and block and have an inside game. Right now, he doesnt do any of that.
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2/15/2006  10:57 PM
Frye's a rook. He's still learning to score off the dribble. How about giving him some time to develop before scrutinizing him prematurely?
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2/15/2006  10:58 PM
Frye will look better with Marbury running the pick and roll after the break.
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2/15/2006  11:19 PM
Frye's going to be fine.
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2/15/2006  11:23 PM
Tonight I saw fry take Bosh in the post, back up and spin left with a short jump hook, with his left hand that was soft and all net. Dirk does not do that either, both players have different strengths, but just because frye does not bring the ball up court does not mean his potential is limited. As Joec said, a lot of teams are willing to give up good young players for frye, it is just not the media... who thinks he can be something special..
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Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

Um.....just to recap

Indy wanted Frye for Artest
LA wants Frye for Odom
Denver wants Frye for KMart

other than Artest who is the absolute best unstable player in the league we are talking about borderline All-Stars. Someone other than just "media outlets" think the kid can play.
They are all rumors Joe. Artest for traded for Peja. Both of them are much better than Frye. Kmart is too injury prone. He doesnt have any post moves to fall back on if he loses his athleticism. Basically, Frye is still being overated unless you buy into a rumor that mentioned an Artest for Frye swap. I agree with Guns. Frye needs to rebound and block and have an inside game. Right now, he doesnt do any of that.


One time I can accept it as a rumour....2 times it gaines a little credibility, by the third time, when the same player is a potential deal breaker in a trade you have got to figure there is some truth to it, Silver...I agree that the Artest deal was still a longshot even if we included Frye, but if even passing conversation if larry said the conversation starts and ends with Frye...

One reason I want KMart in this new "tweaking" plan is Frye can't play D well enough yet (although I think his rebounding is a little underrated considering he is a rookie). He has Brown but there is no other PLAYER for him to lean on and learn from. We thought we had that in AD, but AD wanted no part of being a leader here, as can be seen by the constant bad mouthing of the organization. I don't think his D is horrible but if we are chasing Francis, we really can't wait to let Frye develop on the fly...we need a true enforcer big man down there to hold down the spot. As of now Frye isn't, KMart is.

Seriously there is NO way that I do a Francis trade without getting a very solid defensive big man that has starter potential, or the potential to play starters minutes. I would play Frye 25 minutes a night, mostly at PF but also backing up Curry at center, and I would want my starting PF to get somewhere around 32-35...Ratliff isn't up to those minutes and Battie isn't really starter ilk, but he is a great big man off the bench.
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2/16/2006  9:42 AM
Frye and Dirk are nothing alike. Watch Dirk for a stretch of games. He's a 7 foot shooting guard, plain and simple. He rebounds very well and does some things but he's a shooting guard in a PF's body. Its not that he *can* put the ball on the floor, its how he does it to creat an inch of space to get off his shot. On offense Dirk is a lot like Allan Houston was in the late 90's. If you got up on him he would put the ball on the floor. Give him space he buries a jumper in your face. Play soft he takes it to the hole (watch classic Knicks, yes... H2O did this) and will dunk on you. He's as athletic as most 2's in the league as well, he's just huge. Also when he came into the league he was a rail. Fluid as hell, but skinny like like a 7 foot Crawford.

When I watch Frye move he moves like a PF or a C. He's a goot athlete but he's more rigid out there and more mechanical. I dont see any relation what so ever.

As for Francis he's salvagable. At 27/28 I would hope he's ready to win. I'm convinced Marbury is and I think his play showed that before he got hurt. No.. neither are idea for guarding the bigger 2's of the league but Francis has always been an excellent rebounder and both are physical players. I would like to see them with Reggie Evans and Tony Battie. I think that could be an interesting mix. If we are going to starphuck get some pieces to make it work. Curry and Frye can score but they are so lost on D and rebounding is hard to watch at times.
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2/16/2006  9:49 AM
Unfortunately, Curry's not really the kind of center that you'd want if you have a Marbury/Francis backcourt. You want a center who can grab a lot rebounds (including offensive rebounds following missed shots by S & F) and block/alter a lot of shots. One thing at a time I guess.
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2/16/2006  10:13 AM
Frye comes across as very intelligent person during interviews but somehow it doesn't always translate on the court. He makes a lot of bonehead plays, has lapses on defense (how many times did Bosh make a jumper and Frye still refused to get up in his chest) and ill advised-turnovers that make you scracth your head and wonder what he was thinking if he was thinking at all.
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2/16/2006  10:32 AM
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>>He makes a lot of bonehead plays

BBeast - If Frye makes so many bonehead plays, why are so many teams eager to inquire about his availability?

Frye, contrary to your opinion, is a playa. How many 6'11 rookies have his shooting technique and fundamentals?

Keep him and play him.

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2/16/2006  10:46 AM
Never said he wasn't a good player. All I said was, for someone that comes across so intelligent, he makes a lot of unitelligent plays. Too many defenseive lapses which is why his minutes are shrinking. Also, chooses poor passing angles someitmes. Lee comes across as having a higher BB IQ.

I think Frye has a good future, I was just making a point.
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2/16/2006  10:49 AM
Posted by misterearl:
Keep him and play him.
This I agree 100%. Same with Lee. Mo T should be sat for pretty much the rest of the year. Unless one gets traded we have no, ZERO excuse for not playing the rookies heavy minutes the remainder of the year. That includes Ariza, Lee, Frye and Butler. I dont know if Frye will be good on both sides of the ball but I know he wont learn watching Mo Taylor play in front of him. Frye is a great scorer. Get him out there and get him learning.
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2/16/2006  10:55 AM
I think Frye has a good future, I was just making a point.

that's not allowed here dude... you're only allowed to make ridiculous trade proposals to get KG, post about how much Isiah & LB suck, & harp on what the Knicks should have done after the fact.
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2/16/2006  11:05 AM

Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

Um.....just to recap

Indy wanted Frye for Artest
LA wants Frye for Odom
Denver wants Frye for KMart

other than Artest who is the absolute best unstable player in the league we are talking about borderline All-Stars. Someone other than just "media outlets" think the kid can play.
They are all rumors Joe. Artest for traded for Peja. Both of them are much better than Frye. Kmart is too injury prone. He doesnt have any post moves to fall back on if he loses his athleticism. Basically, Frye is still being overated unless you buy into a rumor that mentioned an Artest for Frye swap. I agree with Guns. Frye needs to rebound and block and have an inside game. Right now, he doesnt do any of that.


One time I can accept it as a rumour....2 times it gaines a little credibility, by the third time, when the same player is a potential deal breaker in a trade you have got to figure there is some truth to it, Silver...I agree that the Artest deal was still a longshot even if we included Frye, but if even passing conversation if larry said the conversation starts and ends with Frye...

One reason I want KMart in this new "tweaking" plan is Frye can't play D well enough yet (although I think his rebounding is a little underrated considering he is a rookie). He has Brown but there is no other PLAYER for him to lean on and learn from. We thought we had that in AD, but AD wanted no part of being a leader here, as can be seen by the constant bad mouthing of the organization. I don't think his D is horrible but if we are chasing Francis, we really can't wait to let Frye develop on the fly...we need a true enforcer big man down there to hold down the spot. As of now Frye isn't, KMart is.

Seriously there is NO way that I do a Francis trade without getting a very solid defensive big man that has starter potential, or the potential to play starters minutes. I would play Frye 25 minutes a night, mostly at PF but also backing up Curry at center, and I would want my starting PF to get somewhere around 32-35...Ratliff isn't up to those minutes and Battie isn't really starter ilk, but he is a great big man off the bench.
You are pretty much making my point for me by listing his shortcomings on defense etc. Frye is a rookie whose game isnt complete. He might develop into a good PF but he is being overated by the media. I like Frye a lot as the Knicks PF. I think the point guns is trying to make is that Frye has a long way to go before he can be considered a very good PF in this league. He has to add a lot to his game. The way I look at it: as of right now Bosh, Pau and Dwight Howard are very good PF's. Amare, Duncan and Garnett are great PF's. Frye is just as good or maybe slightly worse than Gooden. The talent is there to become very good but he isnt there yet mostly because he is a rookie. I dont expect him to be amazing and thats exactly why I think he is being overated when comparisions to Dirk etc are made.

Artest is the only player I would trade Frye for in the rumored trades you posted. Sadly, there was no chance of the Knicks getting Artest. That was the biggest fake rumor because Bird will never trade with Isiah. Artest was traded for Peja who is an elite scorer in this league. Frye is not on their level yet and if you think he is, you are overating him. Using rumored trades to to prove his value isnt definitive IMO anyway. Any superstar coming here would've required expiring contracts with Frye. Lampe was featured in a similar trade for Stephon. He was overated after all.
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2/16/2006  11:42 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by misterearl:
Keep him and play him.
This I agree 100%. Same with Lee. Mo T should be sat for pretty much the rest of the year. Unless one gets traded we have no, ZERO excuse for not playing the rookies heavy minutes the remainder of the year. That includes Ariza, Lee, Frye and Butler. I dont know if Frye will be good on both sides of the ball but I know he wont learn watching Mo Taylor play in front of him. Frye is a great scorer. Get him out there and get him learning.
I thought you were one of LB's biggest supporters? Now you're saying what we've been saying all along about Frye, Lee, Butler, Ariza being given impropper playing time by LB.

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2/20/2006  11:51 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:


Posted by joec32033:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

Um.....just to recap

Indy wanted Frye for Artest
LA wants Frye for Odom
Denver wants Frye for KMart

other than Artest who is the absolute best unstable player in the league we are talking about borderline All-Stars. Someone other than just "media outlets" think the kid can play.
They are all rumors Joe. Artest for traded for Peja. Both of them are much better than Frye. Kmart is too injury prone. He doesnt have any post moves to fall back on if he loses his athleticism. Basically, Frye is still being overated unless you buy into a rumor that mentioned an Artest for Frye swap. I agree with Guns. Frye needs to rebound and block and have an inside game. Right now, he doesnt do any of that.


One time I can accept it as a rumour....2 times it gaines a little credibility, by the third time, when the same player is a potential deal breaker in a trade you have got to figure there is some truth to it, Silver...I agree that the Artest deal was still a longshot even if we included Frye, but if even passing conversation if larry said the conversation starts and ends with Frye...

One reason I want KMart in this new "tweaking" plan is Frye can't play D well enough yet (although I think his rebounding is a little underrated considering he is a rookie). He has Brown but there is no other PLAYER for him to lean on and learn from. We thought we had that in AD, but AD wanted no part of being a leader here, as can be seen by the constant bad mouthing of the organization. I don't think his D is horrible but if we are chasing Francis, we really can't wait to let Frye develop on the fly...we need a true enforcer big man down there to hold down the spot. As of now Frye isn't, KMart is.

Seriously there is NO way that I do a Francis trade without getting a very solid defensive big man that has starter potential, or the potential to play starters minutes. I would play Frye 25 minutes a night, mostly at PF but also backing up Curry at center, and I would want my starting PF to get somewhere around 32-35...Ratliff isn't up to those minutes and Battie isn't really starter ilk, but he is a great big man off the bench.
You are pretty much making my point for me by listing his shortcomings on defense etc. Frye is a rookie whose game isnt complete. He might develop into a good PF but he is being overated by the media. I like Frye a lot as the Knicks PF. I think the point guns is trying to make is that Frye has a long way to go before he can be considered a very good PF in this league. He has to add a lot to his game. The way I look at it: as of right now Bosh, Pau and Dwight Howard are very good PF's. Amare, Duncan and Garnett are great PF's. Frye is just as good or maybe slightly worse than Gooden. The talent is there to become very good but he isnt there yet mostly because he is a rookie. I dont expect him to be amazing and thats exactly why I think he is being overated when comparisions to Dirk etc are made.

Artest is the only player I would trade Frye for in the rumored trades you posted. Sadly, there was no chance of the Knicks getting Artest. That was the biggest fake rumor because Bird will never trade with Isiah. Artest was traded for Peja who is an elite scorer in this league. Frye is not on their level yet and if you think he is, you are overating him. Using rumored trades to to prove his value isnt definitive IMO anyway. Any superstar coming here would've required expiring contracts with Frye. Lampe was featured in a similar trade for Stephon. He was overated after all.

Then we both agree Frye can't play D yet. KMart would be a huge upgrade at the spot in the near future, and I agree that Artest is the only one I would trade him for under normal circumstances (normal being that it is a normal trade not a trade scenario like Indy went through with Artest). The only point I was trying to make was that Frye seems to have a big upside(to someone other than us) and that other teams are willing to trade top flight players for him.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/story/393072p-333321c.html

It's written in the Stars

Frye dreams of joining elite

By CHANNING FRYE

Channing Frye
HOUSTON - I grew up in Phoenix and remember attending the All-Star Game 10 years ago when Charles Barkley wore knee-high socks and all these great players were on the floor at the same time.

As you're watching that game you dream about being a part of it, but you never think for a minute that you'll make it this far. Now that I'm here at All-Star Weekend it gives me extra motivation and puts a fire in my heart to make me want to work even harder.

The whole experience is kind of crazy. My parents were here and they were eating it all up. They were talking to parents of other players and they heard from a lot of people that I have a great future in the league.

On Friday, I was walking through the hotel lobby saying what's up to LeBron, Kobe, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. A lot of guys told me that they love to watch me play. Sometimes you have to take a step back and realize you're suddenly playing against the guys you grew up watching.

It was a great experience to play in the rookie-sophomore game. I went out, had some fun, shot a couple of threes and ran the court. I had Nate Robinson with me and it was a thrill to go against Andre Iguodala, my friend from Arizona.

There were a lot of guys here from Arizona: Andre, Jason Terry and Gilbert Arenas. We owe a lot to coach Lute Olson for building a great program. You look at Andre and you see a player who has improved by leaps and bounds. Last year, he was trying to learn the league and figure out how he could best help the Sixers.

I'm in the same situation now with the Knicks. I'm trying to figure out a niche as well as what I can do to help the team on a consistent basis. There are 30 games left in our season and I think we're going to have a strong finish. I believe we're going to start playing our best basketball.

I got to go home for a couple of days and see some friends. My only focus is to come back to New York with fresh legs and a fresh attitude. The whole weekend has shown me that no matter what happens, you have to keep striving to be the best you can be. That's why the guys who were here are All-Stars.

Knicks rookie Channing Frye participated in the rookie-sophomore game on Friday.

Originally published on February 20, 2006
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