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misterearl
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2/5/2006  6:48 PM
Shelson Williams?

And in his rookie year you'll be ready to deal him for a stack of magic beans.

Gimme a break Briggs
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2/5/2006  8:39 PM
I wouldn't get too attached to the young guys. I'm guessing Curry stays around for awhile, but any of the others can be traded at any time. Larry Brown isn't getting any younger and "rebuilding" probably doesn't excite him too much.

It's great that Isiah has done well in the draft. Soon it will be time to send those promising young players off to other teams where they can develop.
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2/5/2006  9:37 PM
I will believe this team is rebuilding when they act like a team thats rebuilding. Until then we are a veteran team with a .300 winning %
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2/5/2006  9:41 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by djsunyc:

nate, lee, frye, trevor, butler, trevor, qyntel

how would you feel if any of them were traded?

I would trade Frye to get Sheldan Williams. My bet is LB would do that in one second as well. Lee I want to keep. Nate is more for a team that plays an open game like Phoenix GS maybe Toronto etc... kind of like what earl boykins does in Den--he has a chance to be better than boykins. so I would trade him. Trevor trade-no chance to play here, contract is up--need the roster space... Butler keep for dirt cheap or possibly trade

I would do that too.
Curry, Frye, and LB cannot co-exist. Yeah, Frye might turn into an awesome offensive player like Curry almost is. But these guys are both BAD, SO BAD defensively. If we're going to have Curry as our starting C, we need a Ben Wallace or Oakley type warrior PF to play D, rebound, block shots, and intimidate the opponents. It'd be nice to keep Frye as the back up PF, but if we're getting Shelden Williams, I'd gladly move Frye. At 6-9 with huge wingspan, Shelden is an awesome defender, rebounder, shot-blocker. He's so quick despite his powerful body, and he's got decent offensive game as well. He's a perfect fit for LB's half court game.
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2/5/2006  9:43 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I will believe this team is rebuilding when they act like a team thats rebuilding. Until then we are a veteran team with a .300 winning %

i'm confused tho...does this mean that trading for #1 pick and jalen rose, and immediately insert him into the starting lineup, while taking minutes away from lee, q2, trevor, and nate, whose minutes will continue to diminish when steph comes back, not rebuilding?
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2/5/2006  9:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

I will believe this team is rebuilding when they act like a team thats rebuilding. Until then we are a veteran team with a .300 winning %

i'm confused tho...does this mean that trading for #1 pick and jalen rose, and immediately insert him into the starting lineup, while taking minutes away from lee, q2, trevor, and nate, whose minutes will continue to diminish when steph comes back, not rebuilding?

Exactly. Rebuilding, my ass... Rose makes the game more watchable, but surely hampers the growth of the kids. Maybe we're rebuilding vets' careers & reps.
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2/5/2006  10:05 PM
Since when has learning from veterans ahead of you hampered a players development? Rose is going to help develop our players by being an example.

[Edited by - Knight on 02-05-2006 10:06 PM]
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2/5/2006  10:12 PM
It's hard to learn if you don't play.
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2/5/2006  10:13 PM
Posted by Rich:

It's hard to learn if you don't play.

They do play.
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2/5/2006  10:15 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:

It's hard to learn if you don't play.

They do play.

Lee is getting screwed, and I don't understand why.
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2/5/2006  10:23 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:

It's hard to learn if you don't play.

They do play.

Lee is getting screwed, and I don't understand why.

I don't think Lee's development is being hampered at all right now. He's a rookie, he's not ready for heavy minutes, he's learning and will eventually get more playing time.
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2/5/2006  10:24 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Shelson Williams?

And in his rookie year you'll be ready to deal him for a stack of magic beans.

Gimme a break Briggs

dont worry, isiah already blundered when he passed on bynum for the long term, he has googly eyes for channing, not a bad player, but he doesnt have the upside of bynum nor the all-around under-rated game of Williams. If Duke traded Williams for Frye for his last two years, they wouldve lost many games. Why because Sheldan is a better player.
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2/5/2006  10:26 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:

It's hard to learn if you don't play.

They do play.

Lee is getting screwed, and I don't understand why.

I don't think Lee's development is being hampered at all right now. He's a rookie, he's not ready for heavy minutes, he's learning and will eventually get more playing time.

But he's not even getting regular minutes. There are way too many DNPs (19 or 20), like today.
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2/5/2006  10:26 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by misterearl:

Shelson Williams?

And in his rookie year you'll be ready to deal him for a stack of magic beans.

Gimme a break Briggs

dont worry, isiah already blundered when he passed on bynum for the long term, he has googly eyes for channing, not a bad player, but he doesnt have the upside of bynum nor the all-around under-rated game of Williams. If Duke traded Williams for Frye for his last two years, they wouldve lost many games. Why because Sheldan is a better player.

S Williams is the man! B Wallace who?
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2/5/2006  10:29 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:

It's hard to learn if you don't play.

They do play.

Lee is getting screwed, and I don't understand why.

I don't think Lee's development is being hampered at all right now. He's a rookie, he's not ready for heavy minutes, he's learning and will eventually get more playing time.

But he's not even getting regular minutes. There are way too many DNPs (19 or 20), like today.

You have to cut down the rotation at some point and I agree with LB that it is important to have a veteran presence at the PF position right now. Otherwise you're looking at starting Frye and bringing in Lee on the second unit--as much potential as these guys have they are not ready for all of those minutes. You could use Frye at center for part of the game and Lee at PF but I don't think they are near ready to control the paint.
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2/5/2006  11:48 PM
Lee is odd man out and will probably be traded.
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2/6/2006  7:38 PM
Posted by OAK:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by fishmike:

I will believe this team is rebuilding when they act like a team thats rebuilding. Until then we are a veteran team with a .300 winning %

i'm confused tho...does this mean that trading for #1 pick and jalen rose, and immediately insert him into the starting lineup, while taking minutes away from lee, q2, trevor, and nate, whose minutes will continue to diminish when steph comes back, not rebuilding?

Exactly. Rebuilding, my ass... Rose makes the game more watchable, but surely hampers the growth of the kids. Maybe we're rebuilding vets' careers & reps.

Disagree Oak. I don't think he hampers the development of any of the young kids at all except for maybe Ariza but Ariza was behind even Woods and Lee at the 3 before Jalen even got here. Plus, Ariza's not even that good and I wouldn't mind at all if he was traded to be honest. The rest of the youngsters (Curry, Frye, Robinson, Lee, Butler) - he doesn't really play the same position as any of these guys, that is if Lee now returns to his more natural position which is at the 4. I don't see anything but a positive influence he'll have on any one of these guys as they'll be playing out there WITH HIM at different stretches in games.
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2/6/2006  7:44 PM
I think that Larry, now that he is elderly, has no patience to continue to coach kids who make the same mistakes, and would rather have a team full of veteran role players who will need less instruction.
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2/6/2006  7:49 PM
Posted by Rich:

I think that Larry, now that he is elderly, has no patience to continue to coach kids who make the same mistakes, and would rather have a team full of veteran role players who will need less instruction.

I had a grandpa who was actually nicer and more patient the older he got.
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2/6/2006  8:14 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Rich:

I think that Larry, now that he is elderly, has no patience to continue to coach kids who make the same mistakes, and would rather have a team full of veteran role players who will need less instruction.

I had a grandpa who was actually nicer and more patient the older he got.

Do Larry's comments about rookies making the same mistakes over and over sound like the words of a man who is growing more patient?
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