Posted by eViL:

Posted by fishmike:
just because your hungry doesnt mean it makes sense to pay $50 for a cheeseburger

Tell that to Jerome James.

VERY VERY FUNNY!!!!!

Posted by Rich:

If there is one rookie that has demonstrated a skillset that the Knicks lack (rebounding, for example), it's David Lee. Yet he had another DNP today, while Mo "Freakin" Taylor got 27 minutes (if he hadn't picked up five fouls who knows how many minutes he would have played). In that time he had four points, four rebounds.

It should be written in Mo's contract that he's obligated to legally change his middle name to Freakin

Posted by fishmike:

no he's dead on. This is why I said we had every right and probably could have gotten Tor's pick INSTEAD of Denver's. People busted my balls about this. Funny how the reaction around the league is "astonsihment."

Read it again

The reaction around the league to the Davis-for-Jalen Rose deal was, to a large degree, astonishment. General managers from other teams were flabbergasted that the Knicks agreed to take on another bad contract as the price for acquiring a mid-first-round pick while Toronto was able to give itself the type of salary cap flexibility other franchises dream of.

Zeke did it again. Sure its a good deal for us, but just because your hungry doesnt mean it makes sense to pay $50 for a cheeseburger

I was saying the same thing Fish in threads earlier about the then proposed trade- that if we're handing out cap relief like that, teams should pay.

Posted by Rich:

Posted by Knight:

Mo Taylor is a better NBA player than David Lee right now. How is it going to help the team develop if you start a bunch of players who are unsure of what they are supposed to be doing? You have to mix up the personnel and create some stability.

If the record wasn't 14-32, I might agree with you.

If Curry, JRose, Steph, and Craw or QRich are starting, why not let Frye and Lee split 48 minutes at PF?

100 agree. Whats the point of playing Mo taylor over Lee and Frye? Taylor plays not part in our future. He's a mere stop-gap guy. Isiah said were rebuilding but it sure doesn't look like it.

Posted by fishmike:

no he's dead on. This is why I said we had every right and probably could have gotten Tor's pick INSTEAD of Denver's. People busted my balls about this. Funny how the reaction around the league is "astonsihment."

Read it again

The reaction around the league to the Davis-for-Jalen Rose deal was, to a large degree, astonishment. General managers from other teams were flabbergasted that the Knicks agreed to take on another bad contract as the price for acquiring a mid-first-round pick while Toronto was able to give itself the type of salary cap flexibility other franchises dream of.

Zeke did it again. Sure its a good deal for us, but just because your hungry doesnt mean it makes sense to pay $50 for a cheeseburger

yeah, except, people two days ago were talking about that space being $20 million and now it's clear that they have $10 million in space.

and instead of going after Big Ben, the center of their dreams is Joel Przybila or Nazr Mohammed. LOL. No knock on Joel, I like his game a lot, but COME ON, MAN, you're saying we'll never have the cap space to acquire a center like Nazr Mohammed? Is that what everyone is complaining about??? I seem to remember acquiring that dude, and I liked him, but I'd rather have Curry - btw, if he had taken the one year qualifying offer from Chicago this year, I'm sure everyone would be talking about Toronto being ready to offer a max deal to Curry and people here would be saying, "oh see, we'll never have a chance at a player like Curry, because we'll never have cap room."


You do realize that when the other GMs around the league are "shocked" by the Knicks salary cap, what they really mean is that they are jealous they can't spend that much money, right?

Posted by fishmike:

thats not what I am complaining about at all. I have always said cap space should be a tool not a goal. I have also said that it less important for us than other teams. So long as we stockpiled picks, young players and stayed away from dud contracts we would be fine, cap space or not. This is the reason I have been so critical of Isiah after his initial set of moves.

Again. This was not a bad trade for us if you look at it in the context of we got a player that will help us, we got an additional draft pick, we trade a player not part of our future plans. My beef all along is we didnt get even value, because Tor was desperate to move Rose and make this trade, nobody else would take Rose, we did an it was cheap. Same thing w/ Marbury. No other team would take back $60mm in a worthless POS like Penny to add Marbury but the Knicks. So why did we need to include Lampe, Milos, and 2 first rounders? Everyone knew Curry was going to be a Knick and was done in Chi. Why no protection on the picks?

My point is it adds up. Once is no big deal. no GM is perfect, but his (poor) body of work speaks for itself in this matter. Its every time with this GM.

I still think it's safe to say Zeke is getting the better package in all these deals. The Curry one is the only where the jury is out until the dust settles on the lotto picks. If Dolan is willing to approve the money to get the better talent I don't understand the problem. it's not like we're hamstrung and can't make deals, clearly Zeke has no problem making deals.

I think our bigger problems right now are on the court. Why isn't Frye getting consistent minutes? How do you not have a consistent role for him yet? Why isn't Lee playing consistent minutes when the team plays much better with him on the floor? When is Marbury coming back and actually healthy? When is Q finally going to get healthy? Those to me are the biggest problems.

Hey, if we add Theo Ratliff, I will be right here screaming that move sucks. But, from a basketball standpoint Zeke is adding talent. The only reason people are complaining is that the results aren't there on the court yet. And I do still think it's a matter of time and health and this team will eventually gel. I don't get complaining about the money. The only way that's a problem is if you want to blow the entire team up and start from scratch, which, with Curry and Marbury we cannot do. If you think those two are inherently flawed and will never win, then I understand the money complaint.