Almost any rookie would look like sh t at times with Larry as a coach.

Posted by BRIGGS:

If I could trade Frye Nate pick 27 and cash and walk out of the draft with

F 6-9 260 S Williams
C 7-0 275 Aaron Gray

My friend its a done deal.

Williams will probably go from 8-15 so it probably wouldn't take more than Frye (at most) to make that deal. Gray will probably be there with the Spurs pick.

Posted by Rich:

Almost any rookie would look like sh t at times with Larry as a coach.

I think if either of our rookies showed life in terms of defense and rebounding, maybe things would be different. Now thats what this guy believs in and they are opposites.

funny how we bring in a defensive minded coach and not 1 but 4 big men(AD, Curry,Frye,JJ). and we still cant play defense...sometimes u just have to laugh

trust me it definitely beats running to best buy for another universal remote because u broke another one....

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by purple012870:

one thing worries me about Frye:

He has no offense game if its not an open jumper. Its a beautiful looking shot but he has no post game & has no ability whatsoever to take advantage of people overplaying his jumpshot by faking and getting around them via the dribble/drive. So, at this point he's more Michael Doleac than Rasheed Wallace (I know both are silly & extreme comparisons, but you get the point).

I respectfully disagree with your assessment based upon plenty of evidence to the contrary. I recall him using a nice hook shot in the post, on occasion, as well as taking his man off the dribble with a power dunk. I recall during the 6 game win streak when he was on the baseline guarded by his defender and he took him off the dribble for a ferocious dunk. That was a "superstar" type of move that indicated to me how good he can become. I've also seen him use a fake to draw his man and then step up to get an easier, open, shorter jump shot.

The comparison to Micahel Doleac is highly unwarranted (no matter if one calls it "extreme," it was still used, and seems somewhat derogatory) as he has shown that he is more than a jump shooter. I've seen him work the post pretty well at times, but it would be nice to see him add some more moves. Does Frye need to work on improving other aspects of his offensive game and defense? No question about that but I'm a bit surprised how forgetful some fans are regarding Frye's performance in several games this year.

It's as if, since the Knicks are losing, some fans here are finding ways to pick on everyone who they had a personal problem with as a Knick at some point either before or during this season and conveniently forget contributions the player has made that don't fit their original assessment of that player.

[Edited by - PresIke on 02-02-2006 4:59 PM]

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[Edited by - PresIke on 02-02-2006 5:02 PM]

excellent post, frye also is now devloping a turn around jumper in the post, so far he has 3 shots he can go to for points and he shoots that jump hook with his left hand also. And I agree comparing him to Doleac is unwarranted, but if we dare compare him to KG, then the earth stops spinning.....

Look, Channing's definitely a keeper, but you're absolutely right Purple...I know he's just a rookie but the kid's got some work to do. I actually like the more-of-a-Doleac-than-Sheed comparison you came up with bro. Good job! Relax eveybody. Of course he's better than Doleac but point taken Purple - he's playing like him; he's playing small. I know that stings a little to hear if you're a Knick fan and a Frye fan and has chapped a few people in this thread so far, but **** it, Purple's right - the kid really has been playing more like Doleac of late. I totally agree with the idea that if teams overplay him on his jumper, he's got to come up with a pump fake and a little dribble-drive to get past his guy - we just haven't seen that out of him yet. You know what though, offense is never really gonna be this kid's problem. I have confidence he'll eventually reach his full potential on the offensive end.
What worry's me about Channing, however, is his poor rebounding, defense, shotblocking and overall intensity. First, he's an absolute hideous rebounder for a guy that's 6'11". Go ahead, someone dispute that. Tell me why I'm wrong... He seems to have bad timing as balls fly right over his head (WHEN HE HAS GOOD POSITION - that's the scary thing) for the easiest offensive rebounds by opponents against the Knicks that I've ever seen. He's got to go out there and put these defensive rebounds in his hip pocket, simple as that! Our own defensive rebounds are easier to get and require less effort than offensive rebounds. Consistent offensive rebounding requires that little extra special quality that not all players have, but Channing's got to at least go out there and clean up on the defensive glass. He's 6'11"!!!!!!!!! No excuses for poor defensive rebounding... Ditto his timing problem with the lack of shotblocking. Same thing here, he just stands there sometimes looking at the play rather than seeing it develop and going after that block. He should be swatting a hellava lot more - I think we all thought that coming in. It's like bringing a gun to a gun fight then never using it, never firing one shot. Fuck me, but if I'm going to a gun fight to save my life I ain't coming back with any bullets, you know what I'm saying? Empty that clip Channing! Try to swat every shot that comes your way! You'll get your share and alter countless others. Sadly, he's not giving enough effort trying to block shots. I dare someone to argue that one too. He's got to get out there and really get after it when it comes to the little things - that's what will eventually define him as a player. I just think he needs to improve his overall intensity too. "What are you Channing?" "a killer..." "What?" "a killer.." "WHAT?????" "A KILLER!!!!!!!!!" That's better.... Remember when he went hard to the basket and threw that dunk down on the big Irish scrub in the PHX game at the Garden? Or the other night against the Lakers when he got into it with Chris Mihm. Chris Mihm???? Who the **** is that guy to come into the Garden and say anything. He should just be happy he's in the league. I liked Channing sticking up for himself there. I want to see more of that!



[Edited by - finestrg on 02-02-2006 10:39 PM]

"Channing Frye is no Michael Doleac."

Good call Oak. I would love to see 'The Landlord' in a Knicks uniform! I think it'll be too hard though - he's gonna go too high - I have my doubts whether we can make a deal to acquire that high of a pick that puts us in the lottery, which is where he'll end up going probably.
I really like the Jalen Rose trade idea though. Let's do that trade already, get Toronto's 2nd #1 (the denver pick) which we might have a shot at turning into Hilton Armstrong. Believe me, I'd do cartwheels down 5th Ave. if we got Shelden Williams, but I think Hilton Armstrong is a more realistic target, provided we can make this deal with Toronto or any deal where we can acquire a 15-23 or so pick back in return that we can turn into a defensive interior presence like Armstrong. I would love to hold onto our own lower #1 rounder as well and turn that into Brandon Roy from Washington. I can't wait for draft night!

[Edited by - finestrg on 02-02-2006 11:05 PM]

Yeah, I'd be very happy with Armstrong, if not Shelden.

Briggs what do you think about Josh Boone in the late first round?

Posted by Knight:

Posted by tkf:

If Shelden Williams is a lottery pick, then this lottery is weak.....

I don't think he'll go higher than 10 but good defensive big men are hard to come by these days.

He's a very good offensive player as well. I think this guy is being under-rated. What else can you ask out of a 4 man prospect? This is a modern day Oakley who can block shots and post up. this guys legs, his base strength is as strong as it gets. You cant move him, thats why hes such a good defender. If you look at the last two major pivots from Duke Brand and Boozer, well people need to get a clue. Duke has Redick Williams and role players.