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Knight
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2/2/2006  10:28 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by Knight:
You might want to think this out a little more.

Think what out? It's not rocket science dude. It is a fact that you can pick up 3 or more papers and in all papers it will say 'sources say the Knicks are in talks with the Blazers concerning Miles and Patterson' etc. You've never heard of this? That's surprising. Why do some posters get so hurt and sensitive about someone disagreeing with them until it becomes a question of intelligence. What is there to think out when it comes to beat writers dude? lol Get a grip.


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I guess you've already proven this isn't a question of intelligence.
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2/2/2006  10:31 AM
Ok Knight, I am sorry for hurting your feelings fella. You want this to be an arguement but it's just not worth it. Scroll up and read everyone else's posts. Trust me, I'm not alone in this.
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2/2/2006  10:33 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Ok Knight, I am sorry for hurting your feelings fella. You want this to be an arguement but it's just not worth it. Scroll up and read everyone else's posts. Trust me, I'm not alone in this.

They're just trying to help you because you dug yourself a hole. You might want to thank them for trying.
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2/2/2006  10:36 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Knight:
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
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Who are 'several team sources'? lol

That's why they're sources. You don't need a source to tell you that their is frustration and resentment inside the Knicks locker room anyway, or maybe YOU do.

awww here we go! Calm down little man. My point is I cannot go by 'sources say' unless the majority of beat writers out there are saying this. Of course there is frusteration. Anyone can see that. Other than that I don't go based on one writer saying 'i heard a player say......' or 'behind closed doors the players feel....'. That's all. slow your role dude.

The beat writers aren't all going to write the same story or talk to the same people. You might want to think this out a little more.

generally speaking all the beat writers sit together at the game and hear and see the same things. And they all have access to the same players at the same time.

Do they write the same articles? Do they all have the same sources? No. That's easy enough to understand I think.

generally speaking, they do write the same articles... in fact, I know posters on this site who have complained about that very fact before.

I have a question for you: What is YOUR experience and interaction with beat writers? I got a little anyway.
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2/2/2006  10:39 AM
Knight......dude, lashing out at ME is not going to make the point we're making any less true.

There is a such thing as genuine sources and there is such thing as bogus 'anonymous source' stories. Just learn it and be done with it. It's simple.

This isn't my thread, it was your hole to dig in the first place. Stop being so sensitive and touchy....

Just leave it alone. It's verrrrrrrry simple.
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2/2/2006  10:40 AM
^My experience is reading their articles everyday and knowing that they usually have a better feel for the pulse of the team than other people since they have access to people and players in the organization that we don't have access to. The point of this thread is that the players have united against LB--given everything that has transpired I can't believe a few people are trying to pull the "I don't trust the media" card today. That is just weak.
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2/2/2006  10:42 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Knight......dude, lashing out at ME is not going to make the point we're making any less true.

There is a such thing as genuine sources and there is such thing as bogus 'anonymous source' stories. Just learn it and be done with it. It's simple.

This isn't my thread, it was your hole to dig in the first place. Stop being so sensitive and touchy....

Just leave it alone. It's verrrrrrrry simple.

When a good topic gets trashed by someone, I'm going to defend it. You're in over your head, find an off-topic thread about G-Unit or something.
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2/2/2006  10:45 AM
Posted by Knight:

^My experience is reading their articles everyday and knowing that they usually have a better feel for the pulse of the team than other people since they have access to people and players in the organization that we don't have access to. The point of this thread is that the players have united against LB--given everything that has transpired I can't believe a few people are trying to pull the "I don't trust the media" card today. That is just weak.

so let me be explicitly clear: Your experience is no better than any other poster here regarding what the media writes and their handling of sources. You trust the media and have a complaint that other posters do not. Others do not trust the media and are knocking your take. And you come back with... "but I read all the articles"?
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2/2/2006  10:47 AM
Posted by Knight:

[quote]Posted by TheloniusMonk:

You're in over your head, find an off-topic thread about G-Unit or something.

Wow! You're feelings are really hurt. It's not that serious my man. Just learn your lesson about beat writers and be done with it. I believe Martin makes a great point. I just think you could learn something if you'd stop taking everything so personally.

BTW, G-Unit is one of the companies that pays me. It's how I keep my lights on, ya know? Find a G-Unit message board for what?

Back to beat writers.......

lol, Knight you're a funny funny guy.

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2/2/2006  10:48 AM
It is not larry's Job to cater to the team and their bad habbits so that we can win 38 games this year, but it is his responsibility to build a good foundation so that we consistently win 45+ games over the next 10 years every year, Look at detroit, look at the foundation Brown built, hell even flip saunders can walk in and not screw that up. We have a hall of fame coach and you poeple are making him the scape goat. If anything bring IT's ass to the fire, he is the one distracting the team with his off the court mess. We have a bunch of guys who don't seem to care enough about playing the right way, that is why you see guys like Rose and AD getting playing time, it is not that they are better than the young guys, but they play the way you should play. The knicks must understand, these young guys must understand, that winning is about defense, and executing on offense, playing smart, and hard. We have done that very little this year, and now the inmates want to run this prison..LOL... I can see it now, letting these guys play the way they want to play, yea we will win a few more games right now, but 3 years down the road when guys like Frye and curry don't get any better, you will look back and see why. It is because No foundation was set, that is why curry is flawed now, LB is the best thing for the knicks, either the knicks conform or we clean out some players. why is it so hard to understand what LB wants? He wants execution, and defense, is that so hard to ask? he wants effort from guys earning and average of 7mil per year on this team, I mean for christ sakes fellas... As far as Ariza I love the kid, but right now until he develops a game , and when he plays he needs to stop shooting jumpers, he has not earned that yet, he needs to work on that , then come back shooting, right now LB needs these guys to play within themselves and do the best job at it they can. Until then STFU ariza and listen..... As far as the unstable rotations, well find me 5 guys that consistently play on both ends and then we can talk about a stable rotation.... please!!


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2/2/2006  10:50 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Knight:

^My experience is reading their articles everyday and knowing that they usually have a better feel for the pulse of the team than other people since they have access to people and players in the organization that we don't have access to. The point of this thread is that the players have united against LB--given everything that has transpired I can't believe a few people are trying to pull the "I don't trust the media" card today. That is just weak.

so let me be explicitly clear" Your experience is no better than any other poster here regarding what the media writes and their handling of sources. You trust the media and have a complaint that other posters do not. Other do not trust the media and are knocking your take. And you come back with... "but I read all the articles"?

I didn't come back with anything, I told you what my relationship is with Knicks beat writers. If you want to doubt everything they write feel free. I don't, I'm not that cynical.
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2/2/2006  10:58 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by martin:
Posted by Knight:

^My experience is reading their articles everyday and knowing that they usually have a better feel for the pulse of the team than other people since they have access to people and players in the organization that we don't have access to. The point of this thread is that the players have united against LB--given everything that has transpired I can't believe a few people are trying to pull the "I don't trust the media" card today. That is just weak.

so let me be explicitly clear" Your experience is no better than any other poster here regarding what the media writes and their handling of sources. You trust the media and have a complaint that other posters do not. Other do not trust the media and are knocking your take. And you come back with... "but I read all the articles"?

I didn't come back with anything, I told you what my relationship is with Knicks beat writers. If you want to doubt everything they write feel free. I don't, I'm not that cynical.

fair enough. Maybe I took that one the wrong way. Here is my experience: When 1 beat writer gets a scoop on something that is a bit off the beaten track, it's just that: info that's off the beatean path and should be looked at very closely and with much doubt as to the FULL validity. Maybe someone did say it, but it was taken out of context. Who was the source? Player? Coach? Assistant? Front row fan? It's strange that the source was not more apply described.
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2/2/2006  10:59 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
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Isiah needs to be tough with his players.

He needs to let them know HE hired Brown and what Larry wants is what HE wants.

This is Isiahs coach, and if Isiah is not backing him 200% then Isiah is most incompetent and a full of lies!

These whining soft divas of players are getting on my nerves! Now they are uncoachable? WTF?

And we are blaming Larry for this?

Is eddie working too hard? Jerome working at all? Craw too dumb? Nate too funny? Marbs offends too easy? What is it with this group!

Funny thing is, with the exception of Craw and a few others these guys have all been on winning teams.

Larry is a winner (historically) and just won the ring a few seasons ago.

Steph led Pheonix to a winning record and to the playoffs in the big bad west only to get knocked off by the mighty Spurs.

Malik with the Spurs

AD (although aging) on the Pacers and Raptors (when the Raptors was a playoff team with a winning record)

Curry on last season's Bulls

Q Rich on the Suns

Big Game as a starter for the Sonics (who had a great year last season!)

These guys should definitely be playing better than having one of the worst records in the league in my opinion.

Then on the other hand.....

Mo T is a different story, I don't think he has won anywhere actually.

Q Woods hasn't been on a winning team has he? Not sure if he reall ever got much playing time anyway.

Crawford has always been on a loosing team.

Are those 3 enough to bring the team down to the basement of the NBA? Do they have the skills? I think so. Are they coachable? I think so.

Only players left are the college guys and they all had good careers in college and so far are adjusting well to the NBA.

Something is not adding up.

But then again, I am willing to wait because when it all began we were continuously warned that Larry Brown teams usually lose before they win. So.....we shall see.
your waaaay off. Exclude the rookies. Take a closer look:
Malik Rose - Spurs were always good. Great role player for great teams
AD - Pacers and Tor were always very good teams
---losers---
Marbury - 3 years with Min were followed by horrific years with NJ. One good year w/ Marion and Amare in Pho followed by a terrible one.
Crawford - never had a winning season, and those Bulls teams were among the worst in the league
Mo T- loser w/ Clippers (put up good numbers), loser with Rockets
Curry - part of horrible teams for 3 years. Had 2/3s of a winning season last year
QRich - Loser w/ Clippers (good numbers) one good year with Suns
Jerome - Sonics sucked until 50 win season last. Every other year a loser
QWoods - scrap heap guy from loser Blazers teams

And there aside from your rookies (include Butler/Ariza) is the core of this team. Every guy for the majority of his career has been in losing situations. Some like Crawford, Curry, Mo T and QRich were on some of the worst teams in the NBA.

This team is a bunch of guys who have spent their careers playing losing basketball, with the exception of Rose, Antonio and a bunch of kids.

So oohah and others can knock Larry all they want but I'm looking at a roster of guys that havent won dick in their whole career, and DONT play fundamental basketball. I guess asking guys to take care of the ball and play D means LB has done a bad job. He should have been telling them to take as many shots as they possibly can and have some fun.

Sorry... looking at LB's track record and the record of the guys on this roster I'm siding Larry. Right now the only guys that seemed to have realized that Larry knows more than them are Marbury, QWoods, Antonio and Malik. The rest have their heads in their arses

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2/2/2006  10:59 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:


BTW, G-Unit is one of the companies that pays me. It's how I keep my lights on, ya know? Find a G-Unit message board for what?

Does your pay consist in posters and flyers which you have to distribute by any chance?
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2/2/2006  11:00 AM
Posted by Knight:
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I don't put much credence in anonymous sources.

Isola is one of the beat writers who travels with the team and other Knick beat writers, they have contact with people within the team all the time--you don't rat someone out for giving you some inside info.

Isola reported that the Knicks were going to hire Mike Fratello when they hired Lenny Wilkens. He is wrong a lot.

I would say this is a different kind of story--what else was he wrong about? This is dumb.

He's wrong all the time. I agree that giving credence to anonymous sources is dumb.
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2/2/2006  11:03 AM
^It's not just the anonymous sources, we get a sense of frustration and the idea that the team has quit straight from Larry's mouth.
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2/2/2006  11:04 AM
Posted by fishmike:

And there aside from your rookies (include Butler/Ariza) is the core of this team. Every guy for the majority of his career has been in losing situations. Some like Crawford, Curry, Mo T and QRich were on some of the worst teams in the NBA.

You misread what I am saying. I didn't call these guys winners. I said the ones I named have been on winning teams at some points in their career. So them being incapable of buying into a winning system isn't true. At some point those guys (the ones I named) have shown that if given the proper system they can win games. As for Mo T, Craw and Woods......they haven't won games anywhere. Then again this was the story for some of the Pistons b4 some of them got to Detroit.

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2/2/2006  11:05 AM
I agree Knight, the team has quit and that's that. Don Nelson anyone?
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2/2/2006  11:05 AM
Posted by Knight:
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BTW, G-Unit is one of the companies that pays me. It's how I keep my lights on, ya know? Find a G-Unit message board for what?

Does your pay consist in posters and flyers which you have to distribute by any chance?

hahaha Never that my man! Never that.

Again, taking personal stabs at me doesn't change the facts.

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2/2/2006  11:08 AM
Posted by Knight:

^It's not just the anonymous sources, we get a sense of frustration and the idea that the team has quit straight from Larry's mouth.

what would be really funny is this: the source _could_ have been Larry himself. What is your take on that situation if it were true? How about Isiah?
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