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Bonn1997
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1/31/2006  1:32 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

mister earl - i met him and had a nice 15 minute discussion with him about the salary cap. i made a post about it way back (last may/june). i asked him when were we ever going to get within cap manageability so we can have players that are easier to move and to justify our spending. his response to me was "do you want to be over the cap or under the cap?" he had no intentions of getting under the cap and says that it's the right way to proceed. he believes that if we want a star in ny, we can trade for him. i pretty much disagreed with everything he said except for one thing, we should be happy to have an owner that's willing to spend dollars. that is true but it's tough to be happy when those dollars are misspent.

he is a SMOOOOOOOOTH talker. very SMOOOOOOTH. he had everyone there (it was a season subscriber forum) eating out of his hands. but what he was saying and what i believe were very different things.
Lets not forget you were very impressed by him. i remember specifically you saying that although you didn't agree with him, you had gained alot of respect for him. Someone find the thread.
If my memory is correct, DJ also came away from the meeting convinced that the team didn't need to get under the cap in order to build a winner.

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1/31/2006  1:32 PM
Lets put it this way. He does not have to be a likable person to be successful.

Layden by all accounts was well respected and liked by his peers and community. He failed miserably and very few rallied to his defense despite his postitive charactor and personality.

Isiah is not universally liked and we embraced him despite. "he may be a $hit, but hes our $hit!". In the name of knick respectability, we can buy into it.

I liked his praise of Bobby Knight and trying to bring respect to the modern player by insisting they be respectful and thoughtful even though they are wealthy. Not to be forgetful what a privilage it is to play in the NBA, and if in NYC, don't forget the city and its people.

Im not sure he lives by those words. He is a bit of a snake historically, and if his new troubles prevent him from being effective then he must go. Its not a question of his guilt or not, its just the circumstances. He gets his money, and move on.

The team and the GM's reponsabilities come first.

I am consistant to say I respect him as a player, but find little cause to do so in his post playing days. Neither does the ownership group of the Raptors, principal owners of the CBA, and finally Larry Brown. (I Mean Larry Bird!)

He is doing a good job, its just yielding results.

If he can be effective, let him have his 4 years. If not, let Charles Barkely be the GM.

At least it would be fun!


[Edited by - nalod on 01-31-2006 2:55 PM]
djsunyc
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1/31/2006  1:39 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

mister earl - i met him and had a nice 15 minute discussion with him about the salary cap. i made a post about it way back (last may/june). i asked him when were we ever going to get within cap manageability so we can have players that are easier to move and to justify our spending. his response to me was "do you want to be over the cap or under the cap?" he had no intentions of getting under the cap and says that it's the right way to proceed. he believes that if we want a star in ny, we can trade for him. i pretty much disagreed with everything he said except for one thing, we should be happy to have an owner that's willing to spend dollars. that is true but it's tough to be happy when those dollars are misspent.

he is a SMOOOOOOOOTH talker. very SMOOOOOOTH. he had everyone there (it was a season subscriber forum) eating out of his hands. but what he was saying and what i believe were very different things.
Lets not forget you were very impressed by him. i remember specifically you saying that although you didn't agree with him, you had gained alot of respect for him. Someone find the thread.
If my memory is correct, DJ also came away from the meeting convinced that the team didn't need to get under the cap in order to build a winner.

nope. i came away accepting that isiah would never get under the cap. i never said i agreed with it.
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1/31/2006  1:48 PM
misreal i'm with ya bro !!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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1/31/2006  1:48 PM
Misterearl that is !!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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1/31/2006  2:02 PM
If u guys are looking for a role model call your daddies. If you're looking for someone to 'like' get a date.
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1/31/2006  2:03 PM
What if we're looking for someone who knows how to run a franchise and get us out of this huge hole that Layden and Isiah have put us in?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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1/31/2006  2:06 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

mister earl - i met him and had a nice 15 minute discussion with him about the salary cap. i made a post about it way back (last may/june). i asked him when were we ever going to get within cap manageability so we can have players that are easier to move and to justify our spending. his response to me was "do you want to be over the cap or under the cap?" he had no intentions of getting under the cap and says that it's the right way to proceed. he believes that if we want a star in ny, we can trade for him. i pretty much disagreed with everything he said except for one thing, we should be happy to have an owner that's willing to spend dollars. that is true but it's tough to be happy when those dollars are misspent.

he is a SMOOOOOOOOTH talker. very SMOOOOOOTH. he had everyone there (it was a season subscriber forum) eating out of his hands. but what he was saying and what i believe were very different things.
Lets not forget you were very impressed by him. i remember specifically you saying that although you didn't agree with him, you had gained alot of respect for him. Someone find the thread.
If my memory is correct, DJ also came away from the meeting convinced that the team didn't need to get under the cap in order to build a winner.

nope. i came away accepting that isiah would never get under the cap. i never said i agreed with it.
My bad then! I guess I misremembered. I thought you came away not only accepting the notion but also feeling confident about the ability to build a winner without getting under the cap.

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1/31/2006  2:11 PM
It's not about getting under the cap, it's taking on so many bad contracts, which clog up roster spots, and you can't even move them. It's been haunting the Knicks for years. The only time we were able to trade a terrible contract was when we got rid of Eisley in the Marbury deal, and Phoenix made out better. When Amare is healthy, they will be big contenders.

The Knicks, regardless, suck, and I am sick of it.
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1/31/2006  2:17 PM
>Does he ever?

Islesfan - the next original discussion that you craft which provokes critical thought and careful anaylsis wil be your first. I would have much more respect for your attempted diss of my writing if you had something of substance to contribute along the way. As it stands, most people can see you predictable roundhouse punches coming from a mile away.

Rather than your sophomoric attempt at some type of derrogatory comeback, perhaps you could look inward and contemplate how and WHY you formulate the opinions of some people that you do.

Professional athletes, just as corporate leaders, have never been my moral compass. Debating whether Isiah is a used-car saleman or not is moot. ALL General Managers are used car salesmen by the nature of the business. It is what they do. To the extent they can prop up assets to negotiate for other assets is one key to success on the job ce n'est pas?

I find all of these recent personal revelations about Isiah Thomas have litlle to do with the fact our starting point guard is playing more injured than he is wiling to admit, Tony Davis is in a suit, David Lee is a rookie, Qyntel is in a suit, Frye is a rookie, last year at this time Jackie Butler was in the CBA, and Eddy Curry is only 23 years old.

OngBok - win or lose, I'm witchoo. Our future is bright.

Go Knicks.

[Edited by - MisterEarl on 01-31-2006 2:22 PM]
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1/31/2006  2:17 PM
Posted by islesfan:

What if we're looking for someone who knows how to run a franchise and get us out of this huge hole that Layden and Isiah have put us in?

Some people, like myself, like the young players that have been put on the court so far. If you're looking for someone to 'be like' or 'admire' call your pops.

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1/31/2006  2:28 PM
I didn't meet Isiah but I was at the meet n' greet this summer at MSG where he spoke - after being introduced by Anucha!! (and I seem to recall WOODMAN making a discriminatory comment about her backside!!!)

Isiah came off great. He spoke really knowingly about all aspects of the team - keep in mind, however, that dj was told to NOT ask cap questions as we arrived - and that's no BS!

His charisma was on big-time. He told stories, one of the best was about Michael, Larry and Magic - "Look at those guys. They're giants. Look at me. I was a little guy battling giants!" It worked in his telling, anyway.

I always liked Isiah, but that doesn't maean I don't see exactly what others are referring to as snake-like and used car salesman-like qualities in him. I have no problem with those descriptions, I think there's validiy in them. But I don't mind that part of his personality as far as his being GM of the Knicks. I just mind what a total mess we've looked like half the nights on the floor this year.

And btw I didn't have a problem with the Pistons walkiing off the floor on the Bulls. That was real old-school hoop where teams had hatreds of one another and grudges, and kept rosters intact and met year after year in the playoffs. That was GREAT for basketball. Larry and Magic hated each other for their first bunch of years in the league and it always made it that much greater when their teams would play.
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1/31/2006  2:30 PM
The more you win the better person you are. That's the message I'm getting.
I just hope that people will like me
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1/31/2006  2:57 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

The more you win the better person you are. That's the message I'm getting.


Your right. Just ask Mussilini!
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1/31/2006  2:58 PM
Bippity - bingo

Some Knicks fans, and the voracious NY media, are so desperate for a winner or a juicy story - whichever comes first .... since the lightning-in-a-bottle year (the 1999 strike-shortened season) that the immediate results outweigh the mauration process that is normally painful with so many yoots.

You want instant gratification? Might as well fire the man in charge of minutes while you're throwing darts at the team President.

Fire Larry Brown.

Didn't he divorce his wife?
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1/31/2006  3:05 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Bippity - bingo

Some Knicks fans, and the voracious NY media, are so desperate for a winner or a juicy story - whichever comes first .... since the lightning-in-a-bottle year (the 1999 strike-shortened season) that the immediate results outweigh the mauration process that is normally painful with so many yoots.

You want instant gratification? Might as well fire the man in charge of minutes while you're throwing darts at the team President.

Fire Larry Brown.

Didn't he divorce his wife?

1. Sexual harrassment and a broken marriage. A bit of a difference between the two.

2. Personal life vs. work. IT should be judged based on the job he's done for the Knicks. If the sexual harrassment charges are true, that's a work issue. Certainly not out of line to be critical of him for it. As for the story between him and his son, that shouldn't be touched. That falls under the personal life category.
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1/31/2006  3:06 PM
That "love child" story was a press low blow.

But its relevent to the Anucha claim.

Ugly, just ugly.
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1/31/2006  3:23 PM
>But its relevent to the Anucha claim.

C'mon Nalod - Anucha, Schamucha... hit the open man and stop treating the basketball like its covered with 10w-30 motor oil.

Hire a guidance counselor for Trevor Ariza and tell Jamal if he makes an unforced error he's being traded back to Chicago for Tim Thomas.

Start Qyntel at the two and allow him to advance the ball as David Lee can do, and did last night on one occassion.

Start Jackie Butler at center or forward and bring Eddy Curry off he bench. he and Qyntel are from the same neck of the woods... and I do mean Woods.

No layups.

1. When healthy, Marbury

2. Qyntel, when healthy

3. David Lee, just because I'm glad he's a Knick

4. Channing Frye, because he's from White Plains

5. Jackie Butler, because I love a good comeback story
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1/31/2006  3:26 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>But its relevent to the Anucha claim.

C'mon Nalod - Anucha, Schamucha...

ahhh schamucha...me and her had some good times in the bahamas...that was a wild weekend

good times...good times...
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1/31/2006  6:27 PM
misterearl

have you ever posted an opinion of President Bush?
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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