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1/29/2006  2:53 PM
why is dalembart better? look at the thread below about shot blocking--is it coincidence that the top 7 teams in winning % are also the TOP 7 teams in SB differential? Today the game has change don the D because there is no more clutch and grab. look how Phildelphia's D played when they put a defensive PG into the lineup and went long. They were +6 SB dif and won the game by 15. Its more likely that a line up with iversen on offense will have shots blocked, negating dalambart's lead leading total. Its not only about blocking shots, but alos AVOIDINg the blocked shot. You can easily play Dalembart next to Curry, Dalembart is quicker faster and more athletic than Frye.
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1/29/2006  3:02 PM
Then by your accounting PHIL's record should be a lot better than it is (22-21). Regardless of what else is going on with that team, they have the shot-blocker, right?
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1/29/2006  3:11 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you did this trade, would you start both Curry and Dalembert? Who would matchup with the quick PFs?
lol.. who guards them now?
Right now, no one. BUT if your plan is to give starter's minutes to Curry and Dalembert for the next ten years, one of them better be able to guard quick PFs.

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1/29/2006  3:13 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

[quote]Posted by Bonn1997:

If you did this trade, would you start both Curry and Dalembert? Who would matchup with the quick PFs?
lol.. who guards them now?
Right now, no one. BUT if your plan is to give starter's minutes to Curry and Dalembert for the next ten years, one of them better be able to guard quick PFs.


i dont know if you have the right person in mind--dalembart is quicker than the majority of 4 and 5s in this league. who is that much quicker than dalembart from the 4?
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1/29/2006  3:14 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you did this trade, would you start both Curry and Dalembert? Who would matchup with the quick PFs?
lol.. who guards them now?
Right now, no one. BUT if your plan is to give starter's minutes to Curry and Dalembert for the next ten years, one of them better be able to guard quick PFs.
Sam can guard PF's.
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1/29/2006  3:19 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

[quote]Posted by Bonn1997:

If you did this trade, would you start both Curry and Dalembert? Who would matchup with the quick PFs?
lol.. who guards them now?
Right now, no one. BUT if your plan is to give starter's minutes to Curry and Dalembert for the next ten years, one of them better be able to guard quick PFs.


i dont know if you have the right person in mind--dalembart is quicker than the majority of 4 and 5s in this league. who is that much quicker than dalembart from the 4?

I haven't watched much of the sixers. That's why I merely asked the question.
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1/29/2006  5:41 PM
I'd keep Frye. Knicks have bad luck with foul prone players.
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Posted by PhilinLA:

I'd keep Frye. Knicks have bad luck with foul prone players.

Foul AND injury prone!
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1/29/2006  6:39 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

[quote]Posted by Bonn1997:

If you did this trade, would you start both Curry and Dalembert? Who would matchup with the quick PFs?
lol.. who guards them now?
Right now, no one. BUT if your plan is to give starter's minutes to Curry and Dalembert for the next ten years, one of them better be able to guard quick PFs.


i dont know if you have the right person in mind--dalembart is quicker than the majority of 4 and 5s in this league. who is that much quicker than dalembart from the 4?

If Dalembert is so quick at both the 4 and 5, then why is he so slow footed on the offense end? I mean Bosh has similar speed and agility but he is capble of putting it together in the post to create some nice moves. I personally think that Dalembert has a problem recognizing offensive gameplays at times. If you watch some of those Philly games you come away scratching your head. You say wow, he was able to cover ground to help out on the block shot then you watch him on the offense, and guys like Mutombo give him trouble when he should just step around him. I would like to see a guy like Coach Aguire work with him. The problem I have with trading Frye is that at this point he has the chance at becoming the more all-player than Dalembert.
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1/29/2006  11:31 PM
Posted by Marv:

Then by your accounting PHIL's record should be a lot better than it is (22-21). Regardless of what else is going on with that team, they have the shot-blocker, right?

that is a good question, you beat me to it...

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1/29/2006  11:46 PM
Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by Marv:

Then by your accounting PHIL's record should be a lot better than it is (22-21). Regardless of what else is going on with that team, they have the shot-blocker, right?

that is a good question, you beat me to it...


well its differential and Philideplia only has a +04. but the stat is very conclusive teams 1-2-3-4-5-6 in winning % lead the league in the same category SB differential. Notice when Iversen has been removed, Philadelphia has won 2 games with a shot blocking differential of +4
while holding their opponents to an average of 77.5 points
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1/30/2006  12:11 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by Marv:

Then by your accounting PHIL's record should be a lot better than it is (22-21). Regardless of what else is going on with that team, they have the shot-blocker, right?

that is a good question, you beat me to it...


well its differential and Philideplia only has a +04. but the stat is very conclusive teams 1-2-3-4-5-6 in winning % lead the league in the same category SB differential. Notice when Iversen has been removed, Philadelphia has won 2 games with a shot blocking differential of +4
while holding their opponents to an average of 77.5 points


Go look at the sixers record with Dalembert playing- he's missed a bunch of games- they are like 6 games under 500 with him in the line up & consequently better without him.

the reason those teams have good records with shot blocking is they are just good teams.

Screw trading Frye for Dalembert- you put Dalembert on the Knicks without taking anyone away, and we still suck and don't have a winning record.
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1/30/2006  12:23 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tkf:

[quote]Posted by Marv:

Then by your accounting PHIL's record should be a lot better than it is (22-21). Regardless of what else is going on with that team, they have the shot-blocker, right?

that is a good question, you beat me to it...


well its differential and Philideplia only has a +04. but the stat is very conclusive teams 1-2-3-4-5-6 in winning % lead the league in the same category SB differential. Notice when Iversen has been removed, Philadelphia has won 2 games with a shot blocking differential of +4
while holding their opponents to an average of 77.5 points


Go look at the sixers record with Dalembert playing- he's missed a bunch of games- they are like 6 games under 500 with him in the line up & consequently better without him.

the reason those teams have good records with shot blocking is they are just good teams.

Screw trading Frye for Dalembert- you put Dalembert on the Knicks without taking anyone away, and we still suck and don't have a winning record.

it may take the rest of the season for the Dalembert equation to settle in for Philly to see his true shot-blocking worth (and if it does or does not effect the team record). Dude was hurt for a good spill at the beginning of the season and there _may_ be enough of a reason to say that the team is still coming together with Webber and IA, etc to the point where they are showing their true colors. I do think that there is a correlation between shotblocking and the good teams, maybe not an absolute, but it seems to be there.
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