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who's a better player: crawford or hinrich?
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BigSm00th
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1/24/2006  2:35 PM
I look at it this way:

You put Crawford and Hinrich as the 6th man on a Pistons team or a Spurs team or even the Mavs (basically, teams that will win more than 50 games and be a contender in the playoffs) and I think Crawford looks a LOT better than Hinrich, since a bad game wouldn't kill them and he can score so easily in bursts and carry a team's offensive load.

You put either Hinrich or Crawford on a mediocre team like the Bulls or an awful team like the Knicks, and obviously Hinrich is better since you need his consistency, defense, and decision-making because mediocre and awful teams usually don't have much consistency, defense, or good decision-makers.

So on a good team, Crawford, on anything less than a good team, Hinrich.

Joe C, I'm not really sure what your point is. You said "Craw definately has alot more potential." I was just wondering how you came to that conclusion, being that Crawford is in fact a year older and really the big point is Crawford has been in the League for 3 more years than Hinrich. To say, at this point, that Crawford has more potential seems stupid. To bring up random young guys like Jarret Jack who is a rookie and say he's better than both is rather bizarre and also stupid, since it makes no sense whatsoever.
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1/24/2006  2:59 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I look at it this way:

You put Crawford and Hinrich as the 6th man on a Pistons team or a Spurs team or even the Mavs (basically, teams that will win more than 50 games and be a contender in the playoffs) and I think Crawford looks a LOT better than Hinrich, since a bad game wouldn't kill them and he can score so easily in bursts and carry a team's offensive load.

You put either Hinrich or Crawford on a mediocre team like the Bulls or an awful team like the Knicks, and obviously Hinrich is better since you need his consistency, defense, and decision-making because mediocre and awful teams usually don't have much consistency, defense, or good decision-makers.

So on a good team, Crawford, on anything less than a good team, Hinrich.

That's a really bad way to look at it. How many PG types are 6th men? 6th men are typically gunners who come in for instant offense which suits Crawfords game since all he cares about is scoring and if he doesn't do that then he's useless. Hinrich's role is to run the offense. That takes a lot more skill and smarts to do and do it well. That's why I'd take Hinrich.
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BigSm00th
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1/24/2006  3:16 PM
Of course you would Isles, Hinrich isn't on the Knicks.
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1/24/2006  3:41 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

Of course you would Isles, Hinrich isn't on the Knicks.

come on now, even i am with isles on this one. hinrich is better than JC, and he can play D.
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1/24/2006  5:44 PM
Hinrich!

I would take him over Crawford or Marbury any day if the week and twice on Sunday!.
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1/24/2006  5:53 PM
Posted by attaboy2005:

Hinrich!

I would take him over Crawford or Marbury any day if the week and twice on Sunday!.

Hinrich over Marbury? Put down the weed.
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1/24/2006  6:21 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Be careful, if you choose Hinrich you're going to be called a racist.

Jeez.

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1/24/2006  9:19 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Be careful, if you choose Hinrich you're going to be called a racist.

Isles. wtf are you talking about?

No one has chosen Crawford.
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1/24/2006  9:40 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by islesfan:

Be careful, if you choose Hinrich you're going to be called a racist.

Isles. wtf are you talking about?

No one has chosen Crawford.

LOL!!! yo what's up with Isles, man???

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1/24/2006  10:01 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by islesfan:

Be careful, if you choose Hinrich you're going to be called a racist.

Isles. wtf are you talking about?

No one has chosen Crawford.

Apparently my appreciation for Hinrich's game and my displeasure with a couple of the Knicks guards was enough for some people on this board to label me a racist. Since most people here seem to think that Hinrich is better than Crawford I can only assume that they think that you're all racist as well. Or maybe it was my criticism of Nate. Because we all know Nate to be smart and always in control player who never does anything stupid and can run an offense as well as Hinrich.
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1/24/2006  10:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by islesfan:

Be careful, if you choose Hinrich you're going to be called a racist.

Isles. wtf are you talking about?

No one has chosen Crawford.

Apparently my appreciation for Hinrich's game and my displeasure with a couple of the Knicks guards was enough for some people on this board to label me a racist. Since most people here seem to think that Hinrich is better than Crawford I can only assume that they think that you're all racist as well. Or maybe it was my criticism of Nate. Because we all know Nate to be smart and always in control player who never does anything stupid and can run an offense as well as Hinrich.

Displeasure? You flame Knick players with personal insults.

As I have said, maybe you aren't a racist, but if you care about how people perceive you (as you apparently do), then you should be more circumspect with your inflammatory language.
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1/24/2006  11:00 PM
Hinrich by far. He made the Bulls a playoff team last year. He is a coach on the floor and plays defense, something JC knows nothing about. Maybe in time but I doubt it. Hinrich in a landslide for now.
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1/24/2006  11:06 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I look at it this way:

You put Crawford and Hinrich as the 6th man on a Pistons team or a Spurs team or even the Mavs (basically, teams that will win more than 50 games and be a contender in the playoffs) and I think Crawford looks a LOT better than Hinrich, since a bad game wouldn't kill them and he can score so easily in bursts and carry a team's offensive load.

You put either Hinrich or Crawford on a mediocre team like the Bulls or an awful team like the Knicks, and obviously Hinrich is better since you need his consistency, defense, and decision-making because mediocre and awful teams usually don't have much consistency, defense, or good decision-makers.

So on a good team, Crawford, on anything less than a good team, Hinrich.

Joe C, I'm not really sure what your point is. You said "Craw definately has alot more potential." I was just wondering how you came to that conclusion, being that Crawford is in fact a year older and really the big point is Crawford has been in the League for 3 more years than Hinrich. To say, at this point, that Crawford has more potential seems stupid. To bring up random young guys like Jarret Jack who is a rookie and say he's better than both is rather bizarre and also stupid, since it makes no sense whatsoever.



Hinrich's actually younger than Crawford is, so to base it on potential is silly since Hinrich theoretically has more.

Your quote inferring "theoretically" that Hinrich has more potemtial than Craw becuse he is younger.

Hinrich has the basics down Craw doesn't have but if you put in factors like Size, Speed, Quickness, Craw has those innate tangibles over Hinrich.

As an extreme comparison you re looking at a John Stockton type of PG (Kirk has that type of style to his game), while Crawford has the potential to be a taller Zeke.

Point is Crawford has tangibles that Kirk doesn't have and if Craw does put it all together he has the potential to reach a higher ceiling than Kirk. It is alot like the potential that was hyped up between Emeka and Howard two years ago. Emeka was viewed as the better player now but Dwight had an infinately higher ceiling(I know about th age difference but the REAL reason that Dwight had more potential was the tangibles he had over Emeka...more polished game in a way, more of an athlete.... Age has very little to do with this particular discussion (hence why I threw in a random guy younger than both of these players).
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