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djsunyc
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1/23/2006  3:24 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Hell no!!!
I like Dwight Howard but i wouldn't trade both of them for him. No way.

I don't think he is better than both of them combined.
No way.

there are many nights where he outrebounds both of them combined...i'm just saying...
he averages more rebounds that both of them put together so far this year. 12.7 to 12.6

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818 (Howard - 12.7)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3934 (Frye - 6.1)
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3514 (Curry - 6.5)
yes I was fully aware of that. Anyone care to bring up the point comparisons? Of course not, Curry and Frye combine for close to 30, Dwight doesn't put up half of that. I would not do it. AND all of the guys are young. Dwights points will increase, but so will Frye and Curry's. If Frye is putting up 14 and change as a rookie who hasn't figured out the NBA game, what will he put up later? What about EC? I would not do it, I think it would be foolish, especially when both are young and still have high ceilings.

i understand that. but will either EVER be as good a rebounder or defender as dwight is right now? that's the type of guy you use as a building block to a championship b/c defense wins rings. the points are nice from frye and curry but will they ever be good enough defensively to be building blocks for a championship frontcourt. right now, frye is a sixth man. and probably will be one next year as well.
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1/23/2006  3:26 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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orlando would not even consider it--its bush legue to bring a trade like this up.

i like bush...

yup, orlando won't consider it. i was wondering what knicks fans thought. i tried posting it on ultimatemagic.com but all i got were pop up ads for a doug henning sex tape...

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1/23/2006  3:28 PM
I have to agree with Briggs on this one. We could offer our entire team for Howard and Orlando would laugh at us
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1/23/2006  3:31 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BRIGGS:

orlando would not even consider it--its bush legue to bring a trade like this up.

i like bush...

yup, orlando won't consider it. i was wondering what knicks fans thought. i tried posting it on ultimatemagic.com but all i got were pop up ads for a doug henning sex tape...

Stop with the suspense. Did you order it?

two copies, you know, just in case i wear one out...
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1/23/2006  4:03 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Dwight Howard could very well be the next Tim Duncan which is worth more than the entire knick roster.
which is pretty much what we are giving up. Like I said it would never happen. The point is I would trade all our young great core players for one Dwight Howard.

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1/23/2006  4:17 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I have to agree with Briggs on this one. We could offer our entire team for Howard and Orlando would laugh at us
but thats my point. TMS gave me a hard time about calling our young talent overrated but it is. I like the players. I like everyone of them. But I would trade Ariza, Nate, Frye, Lee, Curry, Crawford, Butler and anyone else for Dwight Howard, Wade and a bunch of CBA rejects.

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1/23/2006  4:25 PM
I agree. I would take Dwight Howard over all our guys. I would trade all of them for him as welll because I think he is going to be a beast. But what does that matter. Our guys are good and we should be happy we have them. They are good players, unfortunately none of them are superstars but it is a great start. And I guarantee you will see Lee and Frye develop faster then some of these young guys on Atlanta and Toronto who only know jumping high.

In two months Frye has begun to develop a post game where there once was none. In two months David is now pulling up and shooting jumpers off the dribble. None of these guys will be stars but not everyone in the draft has to be. I'm happy with them.

Nate, Jackie, Q2 and Trevor are bigger question marks but they are the same question marks that I am hearing about the guys on Boston as well. In Boston many people think these guys have ceilings too.
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1/23/2006  4:35 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I have to agree with Briggs on this one. We could offer our entire team for Howard and Orlando would laugh at us
but thats my point. TMS gave me a hard time about calling our young talent overrated but it is. I like the players. I like everyone of them. But I would trade Ariza, Nate, Frye, Lee, Curry, Crawford, Butler and anyone else for Dwight Howard, Wade and a bunch of CBA rejects.

fish, that all depends on what you were expecting out of the young kids... me, i don't think they're overrated at all cuz in my eyes, they've exceeded my expectations... i didn't expect them to have much of a role on this team this year, but they've proven to be a nice breath of fresh air in the amount of effort they give on the floor every single game... you called them "mediocre talent"... i simply can't agree with that statement because i think they have good promise & were all great value picks by Isiah where he got them... wasn't trying to give you a hard time for the sake of creating an argument.
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1/23/2006  4:40 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by gunsnewing:

I have to agree with Briggs on this one. We could offer our entire team for Howard and Orlando would laugh at us
but thats my point. TMS gave me a hard time about calling our young talent overrated but it is. I like the players. I like everyone of them. But I would trade Ariza, Nate, Frye, Lee, Curry, Crawford, Butler and anyone else for Dwight Howard, Wade and a bunch of CBA rejects.

fish, that all depends on what you were expecting out of the young kids... me, i don't think they're overrated at all cuz in my eyes, they've exceeded my expectations... i didn't expect them to have much of a role on this team this year, but they've proven to be a nice breath of fresh air in the amount of effort they give on the floor every single game... you called them "mediocre talent"... i simply can't agree with that statement because i think they have good promise & were all great value picks by Isiah where he got them... wasn't trying to give you a hard time for the sake of creating an argument.

Agreed; the fact that you couldn't trade our young kids for Dwight Howard hardly proves that ours are overrated or bad unless 26 or 28 teams in the league simply have bad young talent because none of those teams IMO could trade for Howard either. We have A LOT of players 23 and under that have shown they have bright futures in this league. If you were to rank the 30 teams on talent based on individuals 23 and under, before Isiah got here we were probably close to 30th out of 30. In his two years, I would guess we have now moved to around 14th out of 30. Of course if Isiah never made one mistake, we'd be higher than that but I still didn't expect a much quicker improvement in the area of youth development.
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1/23/2006  4:51 PM
Has there been a fan base in history more down on a player competing for ROY?
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1/23/2006  4:54 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Has there been a fan base in history more down on a player competing for ROY?

He's competing for ROY the way Lamar Odom was competing to be the Lakers leading scorer last night.
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1/23/2006  4:56 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Has there been a fan base in history more down on a player competing for ROY?


thats because people are relying so much on the rookies because the vets who make all the money are not winners
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1/23/2006  4:57 PM
Surprising I expected you to give me a legit answer.
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1/23/2006  5:11 PM
I dunno. Howard is already a superior rebounder, the best in the NBA so far this season. On the other hand, his offense leaves a lot to be desired at this point-- only averaging 16.3 points per 40. Frye and Curry are both far superior scorers.

I guess one could say roughly that Howard's scoring is as far along as are Frye's and Curry's rebounding-- not bad, but could use plenty of improvement before it's considered excellent or even very good. I expect him to get better on offense, but he may never be first option, go-to material.

On the other hand, Curry and Frye may never be great rebounders, but both are already very good scorers and either one of them (or both) could become great scorers.

Ultimately, I probably wouldn't deal both of them for Howard. One or the other plus anything else on our team, yes, but not both.
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1/23/2006  5:33 PM
Howard is only in his 2nd yr and scores, rebounds and blocks enough shots to average 36mins. Curry has never cracked 30 and if you give Frye 36mins we would be even worse defensively/rebounding. Howard is going to be a francise player. Our guys have glaring holes in their game so you can't expect to build a champship team around them
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1/23/2006  6:05 PM
The talking heads on tv often compare DHoward to David Robinson... I can see the resemblence.
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1/23/2006  6:20 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Has there been a fan base in history more down on a player competing for ROY?

probably not. But when you set the bar so high, you are bound to be dissapointed. Our guys are not as good as Dwight Howard, but I would not trade 2 young guys (who both have star potential) for a guy who is a lock to be a star and dominant player. Frye is already a much better scorer than Dwight Howard. I just wouldn't do it and think guys are being emotional with their thinking.

Would you rather have Michael Jordan or Patrick Ewing and Charles Barkley?
Tim Duncan, or Ray Allen and Yao Ming?
Shaq or Rasheed and Ben Wallace?

This is essentially the question being asked and every time I would take the 2 really good players over the one great.

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1/23/2006  6:22 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Howard is only in his 2nd yr and scores, rebounds and blocks enough shots to average 36mins. Curry has never cracked 30 and if you give Frye 36mins we would be even worse defensively/rebounding. Howard is going to be a francise player. Our guys have glaring holes in their game so you can't expect to build a champship team around them

Minutes are now what you are using for your argument? DH has glaring holes in his game to, on offense. FYI, so does Ben Wallace, its just that defensive holes are more pronbounced, especially for big men.
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1/23/2006  6:25 PM
Would you rather have Michael Jordan or Patrick Ewing and Charles Barkley?
Tim Duncan, or Ray Allen and Yao Ming?
Shaq or Rasheed and Ben Wallace?

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1/23/2006  6:31 PM
Dwight Howard is on a tear this month and again he's averaging 15/12/1.5 in only his 2nd year. And he's able to play 36mins without getting in foul trouble, out rebounded and overmatched in the paint. hey I want our players to do well but I never liked the taste of Koolaid
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