I'm well aware this team goes from bad to worse without Marbury.

my concern is there is alot of assets that were spent on 5 and 6 year guys who aren't stepping up. Curry is one of them.

Posted by McK1:

I'm well aware this team goes from bad to worse without Marbury.

my concern is there is alot of assets that were spent on 5 and 6 year guys who aren't stepping up. Curry is one of them.

Curry is also still just 23 years old as of December 10th or so. He'll be 28 when he's a ten year vet. I trust Mark Aguire to do a good job with him.

Q and Craw have been disappointing. Without Marbury, you would hope they could step up and provide some leadership, but they can't. I would have rather played Nate 40 minutes yesterday and let him try to slow down Paul.

Posted by VDesai:

Right now we need to stop forcefeeding Curry, as he's not ready to have the offense run through him. We were doing well when he was getting set up by guard penetration and scoring on mismatches.

His upside is obvious and he will keep getting better.

agreed. he has to get in shape first

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by McK1:

I'm well aware this team goes from bad to worse without Marbury.

my concern is there is alot of assets that were spent on 5 and 6 year guys who aren't stepping up. Curry is one of them.

Curry is also still just 23 years old as of December 10th or so. He'll be 28 when he's a ten year vet. I trust Mark Aguire to do a good job with him.

Q and Craw have been disappointing. Without Marbury, you would hope they could step up and provide some leadership, but they can't. I would have rather played Nate 40 minutes yesterday and let him try to slow down Paul.

Curry has bigger problems than just refinig his pivot moves. He has no true game down there on either end. Curry has 6 assists and 78 turnovers. He has more turnovers than assists steals and blocks combined. The type of improvement needed has to come from with-in himself. Physically he is a true asset. Mentally not so much. Its the mental development that is the true determinant if he was worth the cost.

but the reason he's never played over 28mins his entire career is because he's out of shape and not a good defender

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-22-2006 1:51 PM]

Posted by McK1:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by McK1:

I'm well aware this team goes from bad to worse without Marbury.

my concern is there is alot of assets that were spent on 5 and 6 year guys who aren't stepping up. Curry is one of them.

Curry is also still just 23 years old as of December 10th or so. He'll be 28 when he's a ten year vet. I trust Mark Aguire to do a good job with him.

Q and Craw have been disappointing. Without Marbury, you would hope they could step up and provide some leadership, but they can't. I would have rather played Nate 40 minutes yesterday and let him try to slow down Paul.

Curry has bigger problems than just refinig his pivot moves. He has no true game down there on either end. Curry has 6 assists and 78 turnovers. He has more turnovers than assists steals and blocks combined. The type of improvement needed has to come from with-in himself. Physically he is a true asset. Mentally not so much. Its the mental development that is the true determinant if he was worth the cost.

This I agree with. Curry's biggest hurtles are completely mental ones. That's why I point to his age. Hopefully he matures and learns the game better. I think he can.

Curry is and will be an offensive force in the paint once he learn to turn over his right shoulder and use his left hand more. Also he needs to learn how to pass out of the double team which he will learn, I'm sure. Tim Duncan had loads of trouble passing out of double teams his firts couple of years. Most of his turnovers come on offensive fouls similar to Shaq when he lowers hie shoulder. But offensively, he'll be fine. Especially when these players learn how to properly feed the post. Also, Curry and Taylor on the floor at the same time get in each others way. They are not a good mix.


Curry's main problems are on the defensive end. Curry is a big man, so he's going to have trouble playing the pick and roll most of the time. Shaq still can't play the pick and roll. Ewing had trouble aswell. Curry needs a defensive minded, shot blocking Pf, who can rebound next to him to be affective. Remember how Ewings game went to the next level once Oakley joined the team. He took so much pressure off of Ewing. Ewing was never a great rebounder or shot blocker either. He was better than Curry, but once Oak came aboard, Ewing was able to focus more on the offensive end. Curry needs an oak. But a shot blocking Oak type of player. Frye and Curry work well on the Offensive end because Frye can dominate offensively without getting in Curry's way. But defensively, Frye isn;t capable of being Curry's Oakley right now.

Duncan averaged 2.7 and 2.4 assists his first couple of years.

If you add all of the assist rates for Curry's 5 seasons together you get 2.5 assists total.

Not a Duncan situation.

Shaq in year 1 averaged 1.9, year 2 - 2.4. Again Curry's rates combined = 2.5.

Not a Shaq situation either

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by VDesai:

Okay, so you think Eddy Curry will never play 36 or close ever in his career? EVER?

NO!

If that is the case, than this trade will be collassal bust. But we have him for several more years, and I would hope that at some point during this time he'd get in the shape to play average starter minutes. No players in this league dominate without playing somewhere between 33-39 mpg. Only Shaq comes close, and a) he's unique b) his team actually isn't playing as well as it should. Obviously, Curry would not have been acquired if there was no thought that he could be dominant.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shaquille_oneal/index.html

Shaq for his career averages 37 minutes a game. He is older now and Riles watches his minutes because they need him more for the post-season.

Curry is needed to be out there now. Shaq came in the league all muscle. Curry is just a big boneded guy. If he can change his body - great. As far as a precedent for this happening - I can think of none.

[Edited by - McK1 on 01-22-2006 2:33 PM]

what things are he getting better at?

statistically wise - the answer is nothing.

Posted by McK1:

what things are he getting better at?

statistically wise - the answer is nothing.

FTA per 48
Career: 8.4
2004-5: 8.4
2005-6: 12.1

Rebs per 48
Career: 10.21
2004-5: 9.03
2005-6: 11.64

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-22-2006 3:24 PM]