Posted by nyk4ever:


What kind of winning basketball is Sam Mitchell getting his team to play first of all? Last time I checked 14-26 isn't winning basketball. You guys want to hang onto this thing about Larry starting guys in their hometowns so much but what does it matter? The Knicks are put together poorly and at the time Larry was doing this players hadn't earned a starting spot. If you asked me there is only player on the Knicks roster that deserved to be in the starting lineup on a nightly basis and thats Stephon Marbury. What other player on this team has earned it before the season started? Frye? Nope, he's shown that he's a rookie and makes plenty of rookie bonehead mistakes and is what some thought he was coming out of college... A SHOOTER at 4 or 5. Curry? Who knew what his deal was after his heart-problem last year. Crawford? Not good enough to start for any team in the NBA. I can go on too, Penny Hardaway? Shot. Antonio Davis? Eh, he plays good D, he MIGHT have been penciled in. Malik Rose? Garbage. Jerome Jame? Garbage. Quentin Richards? Back problems have changed him to a one-dimensional player.

Notice something ironic about Crawford and Curry? AD, Penny, Malik, Q, Crawford are all making a ton of money and can't even crack a starting lineup for most NBA teams. So tell me this Holfresh, who should HAVE been starting for the Knicks when Larry was playing the lineups he did.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-22-2006 1:52 PM]

Posted by fishmike:

holfresh.. what do you see? Go lay it out there for us. Ive watched every minute of the Knicks for about 15 years now. Whats changed in the last 5 years?

Kerr nailed it his article. One day a lineup kicks ass together. The next day that same line up stinks.

Like I said... go fire Larry. At least Herb's rotations were consistant right?

Posted by McK1:

How can a Byron Scott team with less talent look far superior to the Knicks

Chris Paul

Posted by attaboy2005:

Posted by McK1:

How can a Byron Scott team with less talent look far superior to the Knicks

Chris Paul

Yeah this kid is good, but he is great because he is allowed to carry the ball everytime, and he double dribbles the rest of the time. Doing these things can get you in good position to do just about anything, it's amazing how the NBA has become like a High School League when it comes to allowing these young kids to get away with paming, carrying and double dribbling the ball, but only calling against players of lesser caliber than Paul, he was carrying the ball everytime he drove to the basket giving him an unfair advantage against the defense. Even Clyde pointed it out once, but he was doing this everytime down the court, what has these league come to with such blantantly poor dribbling and being called a great player because of it.

Posted by TMS:

some of us believe this team has some talented young players that are improving & that this team will get better in time... why is that delusional thinking? lately i'm hearing alot of crap about this team having mediocre talent, that they'll never be good as presently constructed, & that the Hall of Fame coach doesn't know what he's doing... funny how you never heard these comments a week ago.

personally i'm under no delusions that this team is even close to being a title contender right now, but i do feel they have potential to get better very soon, & i believe they will be a legitimate playoff contender in a year or two because i believe in Larry Brown's ability as a coach to teach these guys how to play winning basketball... i love all the critics like to downgrade our 3 rookies, 1 of whom is a leading candidate for ROY... when was the last time a Knicks' rookie showed such promise? but he's all of a sudden a mediocre talent... i see how it is... i guess after another 5 game winning streak he'll miraculously metamorph into Tim Duncan redux again... & then coach Larry Brown will be a genius i'm sure... i can't wait to read the comments then... LOL.

Posted by fishmike:

there's a lot of things I like about a lot of the players on this team TMS, but there are an equal amount of holes. Maybe they are just dumb and need more time to learn to play a certain way, but look at this roster from top to bottom and there is a derth of middle of the road players.

Hey... I like Larry. Whatever his agenda is he has it because he's got some vision. Dare I say of all the places he's been he wants to win here more than any of the others.

Curry,Frye,Ariza,Q,Steph

yea... great McK1. Trevor cant keep from dribbling off his feet. Q is shooting 35%. Curry and Frye let guys score on them like a bunch of drunked prom dates but I'm sure that line up would fix everything.

Posted by Travla:

No coach should ever want to lose. Sending a message, young team, whatever!! You play to the strength of your personnel until you're able to get new personnel. Curry, Steph, Craw could give you 18 or more a game, Frye probably 15 a game. Mo T., QRich, Nate and the rest fill in where/when necessary. We are not a good defensive team but neither is Cleveland, Washington, Dallas, NO/OKC, Denver, Utah, Phoenix, Clippers, Lakers, Sacremento or Golden State but they all have winning or at least competitive teams. I'd love a winning team but I'll settle for competitive any day!!