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To whoever told me I was overreacting during the offseason over the Jerome James signing: MAN UP!
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Killa4luv
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1/3/2006  5:47 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

TMS is an idiot. JJ has been a tremendous signing. Who else on the team could provide us with more examples of hilarity. It's all about the intangibles.

I totally agree. Plus he has GREAT body language.
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1/3/2006  7:01 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

you mean Bonn

I've admitted to being wrong including in my evaluation of the JJ signing. We're still waiting for Mr. Know it all fishy to admit to ever being wrong about anything


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-03-2006 5:48 PM]
lol... you crack me up man

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1/3/2006  7:02 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

TMS is an idiot. JJ has been a tremendous signing. Who else on the team could provide us with more examples of hilarity. It's all about the intangibles.

in JJ's case, his intangibles consist of the play that you never see, cuz he's never contributing on the court.

sup to all the old crew.
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1/3/2006  7:19 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

you mean Bonn

I've admitted to being wrong including in my evaluation of the JJ signing. We're still waiting for Mr. Know it all fishy to admit to ever being wrong about anything


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-03-2006 5:48 PM]
lol... you crack me up man
Not surprised you didn't admit to any mistakes. Glad I crack you up! I am dying to know if you've ever been wrong about anything Knick related though.

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1/3/2006  7:43 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

you mean Bonn

I've admitted to being wrong including in my evaluation of the JJ signing. We're still waiting for Mr. Know it all fishy to admit to ever being wrong about anything


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-03-2006 5:48 PM]
lol... you crack me up man
Not surprised you didn't admit to any mistakes. Glad I crack you up! I am dying to know if you've ever been wrong about anything Knick related though.

Geez, you admit to the most blatantly obvious thing, that the Big Stiff was a terrible signing, and now you want to call people out like you're this upstanding guy that's always willing to admit when he's wrong. Give it up already.
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1/3/2006  7:45 PM
He's a dog.
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1/3/2006  7:58 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:

you mean Bonn

I've admitted to being wrong including in my evaluation of the JJ signing. We're still waiting for Mr. Know it all fishy to admit to ever being wrong about anything


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-03-2006 5:48 PM]
lol... you crack me up man
Not surprised you didn't admit to any mistakes. Glad I crack you up! I am dying to know if you've ever been wrong about anything Knick related though.

Geez, you admit to the most blatantly obvious thing, that the Big Stiff was a terrible signing, and now you want to call people out like you're this upstanding guy that's always willing to admit when he's wrong. Give it up already.
I've admitted to plenty of other erroneous judgements too. We all make mistakes (except Fish and maybe you).

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1/3/2006  8:09 PM
I guess we live in 2 different realities Bonn. I'm a what you see is what you get kind of guy. I see JJ and I see a career slacker who usually plays about 50 games and averages as many fouls as points. Thats not opinion, thats reality. I guess you saw something different. I know you *hope* things work out great, and that every possible upside of every move is reached. I hope the same thing, the difference is you not only believe it will happen, but you will post 8000 times in a year that it will happen, and that your right about it. Hey...thats cool.

Have I ever been wrong? Sure, but I stand by what I say. I liked the McDyess move. I thought having him with Houston, Spree and KT in their prime would give us decent shot at getting to ECF for a couple years. I knew it was a risk but based on how that team was built I thought it was worth a shot.

It blew up. The fact that it didnt work doesnt change how I felt about it. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I thought the Magic getting Grant Hill for Atkins and Ben Wallace was a good move for them. Obviously it wasnt, but I still consider it a good trade for the Magic. Not because of the results, but because of why they made it. It didnt work, thats life. Am I wrong?

How does this make you feel... any better?
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1/3/2006  8:12 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I guess we live in 2 different realities Bonn. I'm a what you see is what you get kind of guy. I see JJ and I see a career slacker who usually plays about 50 games and averages as many fouls as points. Thats not opinion, thats reality. I guess you saw something different. I know you *hope* things work out great, and that every possible upside of every move is reached. I hope the same thing, the difference is you not only believe it will happen, but you will post 8000 times in a year that it will happen, and that your right about it. Hey...thats cool.

Have I ever been wrong? Sure, but I stand by what I say. I liked the McDyess move. I thought having him with Houston, Spree and KT in their prime would give us decent shot at getting to ECF for a couple years. I knew it was a risk but based on how that team was built I thought it was worth a shot.

It blew up. The fact that it didnt work doesnt change how I felt about it. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I thought the Magic getting Grant Hill for Atkins and Ben Wallace was a good move for them. Obviously it wasnt, but I still consider it a good trade for the Magic. Not because of the results, but because of why they made it. It didnt work, thats life. Am I wrong?

How does this make you feel... any better?

Given what orthopedic surgeons have said, there is virtually no chance that McDyess was going to be able to fully recover and/or remain healthy. In light of that fact, the price paid was waaay too high. Layden knew or should have known that.

Other than that, I have agree with your post.
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1/3/2006  8:24 PM
How soon they forget.

Just who else do you think could fill this jersey?



And just why do you think Seattle sucks this year and keeps hiring and firing guys named Bob? Here's a reminder:



WHo's a pillar of strength and stands by his teammates thick and thin (well, all right, unless they steal his lunch, but c'mon):



Who is the man that would risk his neck
For his brother man?
GAME!
Can you dig it?

Who's the cat that won't cop out
When there's danger all about?
GAME!
Right On!

They say this cat Game is a bad mother
SHUT YOUR MOUTH!
I'm talkin' 'bout Game.
THEN WE CAN DIG IT!



All right. Nuff said. Just wanted to remind everyone who's world it is:

Big Drinkin Game James'

What do we all do?

We just live in it. And occasionally join him for a few shots. But never before a game. All right almost never before a game. And hardly ever the night before practice. C'mon man we're talkin' bout practice here. Practice!
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1/3/2006  8:29 PM
marv, you just made my day.
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1/3/2006  8:32 PM
They have to come up with a way to declare a material breach so that his contract can be voided.

[Edited by - Rich on 01-03-2006 8:33 PM]
Bonn1997
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1/3/2006  8:32 PM
Posted by fishmike:

I guess we live in 2 different realities Bonn. I'm a what you see is what you get kind of guy. I see JJ and I see a career slacker who usually plays about 50 games and averages as many fouls as points. Thats not opinion, thats reality. I guess you saw something different. I know you *hope* things work out great, and that every possible upside of every move is reached. I hope the same thing, the difference is you not only believe it will happen, but you will post 8000 times in a year that it will happen, and that your right about it. Hey...thats cool.

Have I ever been wrong? Sure, but I stand by what I say. I liked the McDyess move. I thought having him with Houston, Spree and KT in their prime would give us decent shot at getting to ECF for a couple years. I knew it was a risk but based on how that team was built I thought it was worth a shot.

It blew up. The fact that it didnt work doesnt change how I felt about it. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I thought the Magic getting Grant Hill for Atkins and Ben Wallace was a good move for them. Obviously it wasnt, but I still consider it a good trade for the Magic. Not because of the results, but because of why they made it. It didnt work, thats life. Am I wrong?

How does this make you feel... any better?

Your views of me in the first paragraph have no bearing in reality but you're certainly entitled to feel however you want to about me. Just to be clear: I never LIKED the JJ signing but I did ACCEPT it. I thought he would put up #s somewhere between his career playoff and career regular season #s: Maybe 6 Pts and 4.5 rbs and 1.5 blks a game. Obviously I was wrong.

I like the examples you gave. It only took a hundred tries but eventually even you could admit to being wrong. I was just as wrong as you were about McDyess. At the time, I thought it was a good move too. Have you been wrong about anything since Isiah's been the Knicks GM?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-03-2006 10:43 PM]
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1/3/2006  8:35 PM
About expecting the best case scenario for each move: Basically my view is that our final assessment of Isiah will depend on how Curry, Frye, and any other key pieces he gets pan out. I definitely don't expect only the best case scenario. If those options don't pan out, which undoubtedly could happen, the team will be stuck in the lottery for several years just like a lot of teams that go more traditional roots to rebuilding.
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1/3/2006  10:35 PM
I love how people bring out the Layden card when we're talkin about Isiah:

"Well Layden sucked way worse and left Isiah with nothing..."


Ok....well, how can you justify the Taylor and James acquisitions?

Please.....explain. I'm fascinated to hear what some of your reasoning is.


Oh.....and I'd throw that Malik trade under the bus too, but it DID grab us David Lee, so I'll be nice and let it go for now.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 01-03-2006 10:36 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/3/2006  10:39 PM
Posted by bobs3304:


Oh.....and I'd throw that Malik trade under the bus too, but it DID grab us David Lee, so I'll be nice and let it go for now.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 01-03-2006 10:36 PM]

And another #1. It was a great deal.
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1/3/2006  10:42 PM
Posted by Marv:


And another #1. It was a great deal.

That's your opinion, and youre welcome to it.

But I'd go ahead and say adding 15-20 Million plus losing your starting Center for an undersized role player isn't worth the picks.

We could've had Curry for Nazr and Sweets. I'd rather have this years lottery than 2 late 1st rounders.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/3/2006  10:45 PM
You think the Bulls would have accepted that swap? They're essentially doing a deal where they get Nazy instead of getting a top 5 draft pick. If they were demanding potential unprotected lottery picks for a 22 yr old lottery talent in Curry, there's for way they'd settle on Nazy instead.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-03-2006 10:50 PM]
Marv
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Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Marv:


And another #1. It was a great deal.

That's your opinion, and youre welcome to it.

But I'd go ahead and say adding 15-20 Million plus losing your starting Center for an undersized role player isn't worth the picks.

We could've had Curry for Nazr and Sweets. I'd rather have this years lottery than 2 late 1st rounders.

Well one of those late first rounders just had a game as good as any lottery pick has had this year.

Malik wan't worth anything in the deal. But IMO Nazr wasn't worth much either.

And I'm not sure if anyone knows for sure what we could have had and for whom in the Curry deal.
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1/3/2006  10:47 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Marv:


And another #1. It was a great deal.

That's your opinion, and youre welcome to it.

But I'd go ahead and say adding 15-20 Million plus losing your starting Center for an undersized role player isn't worth the picks.

We could've had Curry for Nazr and Sweets. I'd rather have this years lottery than 2 late 1st rounders.

Well one of those late first rounders just had a game as good as any lottery pick has had this year.

Malik wan't worth anything in the deal. But IMO Nazr wasn't worth much either.

And I'm not sure if anyone knows for sure what we could have had and for whom in the Curry deal.

oh marv...you dumb bastard. are you not even taking into account that if we still had nazr, forget curry, we could've used him in a sign and trade for the big game...just so we could get that EXTRA 6th year.
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