Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BlueSeats:

Yeah, one of by big gripes with Layden was he was supposed to be a good drafter, but he proceeded to trade 4 first rd picks in his 4 years.

Isiah has also obtained via trades 3 1st rd picks. I want the Knicks to get good young players. It doesn't have to be via the draft. I like how we're setup at the 4 and 5 with Frye and Curry. Isiah needs to get more players at 1 through 3. It doesn't have to be via draft.

Posted by nykshaknbake:

Well obviously the pick we give up is gonna be better than one of the SA picks. But honestly, most thought we'd be at 500 now and so you can't say Isiah was giving up the #1 pick when he made that trade. Also, the season isn't nearly over. If we don't get the #1 pick, then your post is incorrect, so as much as you'd like us to don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Isiah has also obtained via trades 3 1st rd picks.
[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 01-02-2006 1:01 PM]

There you go with your Logic for Dummies or Isiah Sycophants again. Equating the potential #1 overall pick to the 29th pick just because they're both "1st rd picks" is beyond stupid.

However, the chances of us having a record that lands the Bulls the #1 pick, or even a top 5 pick this year, based on our current record, looks stronger than any of years past. Of course, I know there are those who have been constantly saying that they have high hopes to see a turn around from now on, or at least after the All-Star Break that will keep the pick from being so high. I can see how that could happen, and have hopes myself of the same kind, but I think it's hard to convince those that do not believe this to be anywhere near likely to see this as a liklihood.

Regardless, the Knicks are certainly treading in dangerous waters with their current record, and performance. I know those hopes of a turn around this year are mostly hinged on Larry Brown's track record, but one wonders what will happen if there is no turn around and we end up with giving the Bulls a high lottery pick. We will likely hear from the Isiah apologists that this is ok because Curry is worth the same as any lottery picks this year, and the 'Fire Isiah' crowd will scrutinize every player picked in the lottery, follow and compare them to Curry for years.

The reality then has to be that if Curry does not pan out, and turn the Knicks around we are screwed. And to do that he has to do more than he is now, that's for sure. I just can't see how Curry can be what we expect of him if he plays 30 min a game. At some point he will have to be in shape enough to play more minutes, I mean 30 mpg for a guy who's suppossed to be a team's foundation is just not good enough. Let's hope he steps it up so we can turn this team into a winner. I think if we have a healthy, fit, Curry, even with minor improvements on defense, we will see this team win more games.

Posted by islesfan:

Chris Sheridan: It's complicated, but it goes like this: The Knicks still owe the Suns a No. 1 pick from the Marbury trade, but they have protection on that pick through 2009 (top 25 in 2006, top 24 in 2007, top 23 in 2008, top 22 in 2009. In 2010, it's unprotected. (The Suns have since traded that pick to Utah). Since the Knicks aren't going to finish with the fourth-best record in the league this season, that pick will remain protected and the Jazz won't get it. As part of their trade with the Bulls, the Knicks agreed to give Chicago their No. 1 pick if the Jazz didn't get it. And since the Jazz aren't getting it, the Bulls are. But wait, there's more. The Knicks also gave the Bulls the right to swap first-round picks in 2007. So if the Knicks win the lottery, the Bulls get the No. 1 pick. The Knicks also gave up their second-round picks in 2007 and 2009.

So in 2010, when Marbury will probably be playing with his 3rd team since being traded from the Knicks, we'll be owing Utah an unprotected #1 pick. At the rate we're going that should be a high lottery pick as well.

So let's sum up:

Isiah has traded our #1 picks in 2006, 2007 and 2010 and they're unprotected. That's one hell of a rebuild. Oh wait, I forgot, Isiah already did his draft homework and said that there wasn't anybody worth drafting with the potential #1 pick this year. Fire Isiah already.