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1/14/2006  6:19 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
If you can't figure out the difference between this LB team and all of his others then I don't know what to tell you.
No one said there are no differences. The question is what are the differences that preclude this team from making a typical LB turnaround. No one's talking about this team winning the championship this year, but Larry's had teams that started around 7-21 and played around .500 the rest of the year. Why can't this team make a similar turnaround?

Nobody said they can't but you can't just suggest that because he had teams in the past that did it that this team would too. What kind of idiot logic is that? Like you're already backtracking and admitting, there are differences between this team and all those others which gives you no basis for making such assumptions.
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1/14/2006  6:21 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
If you can't figure out the difference between this LB team and all of his others then I don't know what to tell you.
No one said there are no differences. The question is what are the differences that preclude this team from making a typical LB turnaround. No one's talking about this team winning the championship this year, but Larry's had teams that started around 7-21 and played around .500 the rest of the year. Why can't this team make a similar turnaround?

Nobody said they can't but you can't just suggest that because he had teams in the past that did it that this team would too. What kind of idiot logic is that? Like you're already backtracking and admitting, there are differences between this team and all those others which gives you no basis for making such assumptions.

wow, you're questioning someones logic... wow.
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1/14/2006  6:32 PM
explain to us exactly where the backtracking is
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1/14/2006  6:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

explain to us exactly where the backtracking is

Off on another tangent after I've shot you down once again. Isn't this getting old for you yet? Hey, it could be worse, imagine how bad it would be if you actually answered my questions.
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1/14/2006  6:43 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
If you can't figure out the difference between this LB team and all of his others then I don't know what to tell you.
No one said there are no differences. The question is what are the differences that preclude this team from making a typical LB turnaround. No one's talking about this team winning the championship this year, but Larry's had teams that started around 7-21 and played around .500 the rest of the year. Why can't this team make a similar turnaround?

Nobody said they can't but you can't just suggest that because he had teams in the past that did it that this team would too. What kind of idiot logic is that? Like you're already backtracking and admitting, there are differences between this team and all those others which gives you no basis for making such assumptions.

why is that idiotic logic? if it happened with enough of his past teams to make it a pattern, why would it be illogical to say that this team will also follow in that pattern?

In 1997, Brown's first year in Philadelphia, the 76ers were 6-19 after 25 games - one game worse than his Knicks are now. His 1993-94 Pacers started 10-16. His 1988-89 Spurs started 7-20. And, as Brown often reminds people, he was nearly fired when his 1981-82 Nets started the season 6-16 (before finishing with a 44-38 record).

"We lived through the Clippers," Shelly Brown said. "We did the Clippers, Indiana, we had this record. And notoriously, his teams kick in at All-Star break.

"And the first few months are," she said, pausing, "tough. I was trying to think of a nicer word. I mean, they're tough. And he always says, 'No, it's never been this bad.' But it has."

Generally, things do improve as midseason approaches, as Brown's former assistants and players attest. The Knicks are also young.

"When Coach came in, he knew it would be a matter of time; it wasn't going to be an immediate fix," Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich, a longtime friend, said. "A system would be established, roles would have to be established, and that doesn't happen in 25 games."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/26/sports/basketball/26knicks.html



[Edited by - slimpack on 01-14-2006 6:44 PM]
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1/14/2006  6:52 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
If you can't figure out the difference between this LB team and all of his others then I don't know what to tell you.
No one said there are no differences. The question is what are the differences that preclude this team from making a typical LB turnaround. No one's talking about this team winning the championship this year, but Larry's had teams that started around 7-21 and played around .500 the rest of the year. Why can't this team make a similar turnaround?

Nobody said they can't but you can't just suggest that because he had teams in the past that did it that this team would too. What kind of idiot logic is that? Like you're already backtracking and admitting, there are differences between this team and all those others which gives you no basis for making such assumptions.

why is that idiotic logic? if it happened with enough of his past teams to make it a pattern, why would it be illogical to say that this team will also follow in that pattern?

In 1997, Brown's first year in Philadelphia, the 76ers were 6-19 after 25 games - one game worse than his Knicks are now. His 1993-94 Pacers started 10-16. His 1988-89 Spurs started 7-20. And, as Brown often reminds people, he was nearly fired when his 1981-82 Nets started the season 6-16 (before finishing with a 44-38 record).

"We lived through the Clippers," Shelly Brown said. "We did the Clippers, Indiana, we had this record. And notoriously, his teams kick in at All-Star break.

"And the first few months are," she said, pausing, "tough. I was trying to think of a nicer word. I mean, they're tough. And he always says, 'No, it's never been this bad.' But it has."

Generally, things do improve as midseason approaches, as Brown's former assistants and players attest. The Knicks are also young.

"When Coach came in, he knew it would be a matter of time; it wasn't going to be an immediate fix," Spurs Coach Gregg Popovich, a longtime friend, said. "A system would be established, roles would have to be established, and that doesn't happen in 25 games."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/26/sports/basketball/26knicks.html



[Edited by - slimpack on 01-14-2006 6:44 PM]

Because they're all different teams with different players of different abilities with different personalities and makeup among other things. Plus there is no cookie cutter LB team where they automatically started to play better after a certain period in his first season. He's had teams that started bad and finished just as badly, can we use that as a pattern too?
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1/14/2006  6:53 PM
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Posted by islesfan:

Seriously Monk, your infatuation with me is REALLY unhealthy. Get over it already.
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Seriously, leave that homer stuff alone. It will be a cold day in hell b4 I am infatuated with any man. Relax with that.

You said the way to know if a GM is good or not is by their FIRST MOVE. I pasted Dumars' first move and then all of a sudden it's not about the fact that people have picked your 'point' apart. All of a sudden it's a bunch of homer retoric. 'Leave me alone'....'you're infatuated with me' lol. Listen guy, people are going to continuously call you out on this board until you make sense. Most people on this board are knowledgeable about the game and when they read some of the stuff you write it's a given you're going to be 'called out' like you put it. Who cares if you can cook? lol You may know your way around a kitchen fella but on a board like Ultimate, if you put some of the things you put out there....you WILL hear about it.

I've said very little about the nonpoints you've put out there. It's rarley me. It's damn near everyone else.
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1/14/2006  7:12 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

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Posted by islesfan:

Seriously Monk, your infatuation with me is REALLY unhealthy. Get over it already.
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Seriously, leave that homer stuff alone. It will be a cold day in hell b4 I am infatuated with any man. Relax with that.

You said the way to know if a GM is good or not is by their FIRST MOVE. I pasted Dumars' first move and then all of a sudden it's not about the fact that people have picked your 'point' apart. All of a sudden it's a bunch of homer retoric. 'Leave me alone'....'you're infatuated with me' lol. Listen guy, people are going to continuously call you out on this board until you make sense. Most people on this board are knowledgeable about the game and when they read some of the stuff you write it's a given you're going to be 'called out' like you put it. Who cares if you can cook? lol You may know your way around a kitchen fella but on a board like Ultimate, if you put some of the things you put out there....you WILL hear about it.

I've said very little about the nonpoints you've put out there. It's rarley me. It's damn near everyone else.

I said that?? That's news to me. I thought I said that you can start judging a GM from his very first move as opposed to sitting back and waiting X amount of time before you start judging him.

You honestly think I care if I hear about it? I'm perfectly capable of defending my own statements thank you very much.

As far as my cooking, I was joking around with Martin and a couple of others. Lighten up Beavis.
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1/14/2006  7:20 PM
Posted by islesfan:


Because they're all different teams with different players of different abilities with different personalities and makeup among other things. Plus there is no cookie cutter LB team where they automatically started to play better after a certain period in his first season. He's had teams that started bad and finished just as badly, can we use that as a pattern too?

well all of LB's teams had different team members with different personalities, but that didnt stop him from improving them. obviously no two teams are EXACTLY the same, thats like saying that two seasons ago when LB took over the pistons that they would always be the .500 team they came out of the gate as becuase they dont have the exact same team that philly had when LB took them to the finals. Anyway you do have a good point about not all of his teams turning it around in 1 season, but I think they all turned around at least within two seasons.
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1/14/2006  7:20 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

explain to us exactly where the backtracking is

Off on another tangent after I've shot you down once again.
It's YOUR tangent; you brought up backtracking.
You know you lost an argument when you feel forced to declare to the forum that you shot down someone's claims.

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1/14/2006  7:35 PM
Typical Bonn maneuver. Your argument gets shot down so you nitpick about something else and focus on that. Did you think that people wouldn't notice after the 30th or 31st time that you've done it?
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1/14/2006  11:05 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Typical Bonn maneuver. Your argument gets shot down so you nitpick about something else and focus on that. Did you think that people wouldn't notice after the 30th or 31st time that you've done it?

wow, sounds like someone else we know...
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1/14/2006  11:40 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by islesfan:

Typical Bonn maneuver. Your argument gets shot down so you nitpick about something else and focus on that. Did you think that people wouldn't notice after the 30th or 31st time that you've done it?

wow, sounds like someone else we know...


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1/15/2006  1:39 AM
isles, you have no more credit on this board, you just hate and hate and when it blows up in your face you avoid answering the question like the plague and try that stupid game of "I don't know why it's so important that I answer" and "if you don't know the answer, I'm not going to tell you" and "i'm just a lame old poster that gets my jollies out of kicking the board when it's down".

Time to start shutting up or putting up. Own up to your posts, or lose credit with even your followers (who seem to have disappeared).

I'm suprised you haven't noticed that everyone has figured it out.

Quit while you're behind.
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Pistons are head of the class, Knicks getting left back By Chris Sheridan

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