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YoungSpike
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12/29/2005  10:35 PM
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Monte Towe

lol, had to look that one up. i am only 19 so i am not up on my ABA stars. DAMN Larry is old


Next town Brown gets a bad rap but how many coachs can claim to be in demand for 34 years!

Larry is pretty old, but he started very young as a pro head coach.

Monte Towe played with David Thompson on the NCAA champion North Carolina State. David Thompson was better than Jordan. Trust me, he was! He got screwed up with drugs. What makes Jordan special was his incredible mental strenth and ablilty to not get injured. Thompson was a better player, but was not the man Jordan was.

Larry's Nugget Teams were the class of the ABA the last two years but he could not get them over the top.

Lol, Jordan also had a competitive nature about him that was borderline psycho. He hated to lose I forgot what player’s mom it was said we was playing a friendly game of cards with but he was caught cheating. I saw that on one of those ESPN documentaries on him and thought that was funny
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12/30/2005  12:39 AM
Marbury's problem isn't passing ability.

It's playmaking ability.

And yes, there's a HUGE gap in between.


It's pretty simple actually. Marbury looks to score first. Nash/Kidd/Knight all look to pass first.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/30/2005  1:59 AM
having a personality conflict with one of your players is one thing. leting that personality conflict determine the way a team should perform is the coaching leadership style knick fans should be subjected to? why does brown continue to let this team perform the poorest start in franchise history ?

larry brown, please tell everybody this is why you wanted to coach the knicks
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12/30/2005  9:39 AM
Posted by YoungSpike:

so has Marbury his HOLE career. i am sick of people thinking that a player like Brevin Knight is better then Marbury. Where has he led the bobcats?


Brevin has lead his team to a better record this year!

not saying anything- just pointing that out!
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12/30/2005  10:18 AM
Posted by franco12:
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so has Marbury his HOLE career. i am sick of people thinking that a player like Brevin Knight is better then Marbury. Where has he led the bobcats?


Brevin has lead his team to a better record this year!

not saying anything- just pointing that out!

Put Brevin in a starting line up of Q, Trevor, AD, and James and see how many wins he leads them to. That line up would be down 15 by the middle of the first quarter, I am just glad papers talked about how this is just as much Brown’s fault as it’s Marbury’s
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12/30/2005  10:48 AM
Personally as a coach I know how difficult it can be to work with your players, I also know that a million things go on behind the scenes that the papers don't know about. This conflict could be a heck of a lot worse or better than the papers are reporting. We will never know.

What we do know
1.)Marbury has a lot to learn about leading a team. This does not make him a bad guy
2.) If Brevin Knight was our PG instead of Marbs we would have a similar record. He would not lead us anywhere
3.) We need better players
4.) Brown should be nipping the media sniping in the bud. All it does is alienate Marbs, make him respond more negatively to the media which causes more of a media circus, which causes more team strife. He needs to understand this is not Indiana and that the NY media will tear this team apart one by one.
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12/30/2005  10:51 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Personally as a coach I know how difficult it can be to work with your players, I also know that a million things go on behind the scenes that the papers don't know about. This conflict could be a heck of a lot worse or better than the papers are reporting. We will never know.

What we do know
1.)Marbury has a lot to learn about leading a team. This does not make him a bad guy
2.) If Brevin Knight was our PG instead of Marbs we would have a similar record. He would not lead us anywhere
3.) We need better players
4.) Brown should be nipping the media sniping in the bud. All it does is alienate Marbs, make him respond more negatively to the media which causes more of a media circus, which causes more team strife. He needs to understand this is not Indiana and that the NY media will tear this team apart one by one.


Not saying I'd rather have brevin- but if he was the PG, I bet we'd have more wins because
Brevin would be LBs kind of pg & he'd have settled on a rotation by now.
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12/30/2005  10:53 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bippity10:

Personally as a coach I know how difficult it can be to work with your players, I also know that a million things go on behind the scenes that the papers don't know about. This conflict could be a heck of a lot worse or better than the papers are reporting. We will never know.

What we do know
1.)Marbury has a lot to learn about leading a team. This does not make him a bad guy
2.) If Brevin Knight was our PG instead of Marbs we would have a similar record. He would not lead us anywhere
3.) We need better players
4.) Brown should be nipping the media sniping in the bud. All it does is alienate Marbs, make him respond more negatively to the media which causes more of a media circus, which causes more team strife. He needs to understand this is not Indiana and that the NY media will tear this team apart one by one.


Not saying I'd rather have brevin- but if he was the PG, I bet we'd have more wins because
Brevin would be LBs kind of pg & he'd have settled on a rotation by now.

pure opinion and speculation, you dont know for sure if that is true.
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12/30/2005  10:55 AM
So you are saying that Marbs is the reason we haven't settled on a rotation? I think it may have a lot more to do with the fact that we don't have a SF that can shoot a 15 footer. Our leading rebounding averages 6 a game at the PF position. Our two centers have been hurt as often as they have been healthy. Our starting 2 guard has back issues and the rest of our line-up is barely old enough to buy a pack of cigarrettes. You guys are grasping for straws yet again thinking all we need is one player to turn this around.

We need guys that can put the ball in the basket. It doesn't amtter if you have Jason Kidd, if he is passing the ball to Malik Rose and Antonio Davis and a batch of career 39% shooters than you aren't winning. You'll notice that NJ has surrounded Kidd with finishers. There is a reason for this.

Number 2 we need to get stronger on the defensive end. Brevin would not change this.
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12/30/2005  10:58 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

So you are saying that Marbs is the reason we haven't settled on a rotation? I think it may have a lot more to do with the fact that we don't have a SF that can shoot a 15 footer. Our leading rebounding averages 6 a game at the PF position. Our two centers have been hurt as often as they have been healthy. Our starting 2 guard has back issues and the rest of our line-up is barely old enough to buy a pack of cigarrettes. You guys are grasping for straws yet again thinking all we need is one player to turn this around.


nope, its all marburys fault...LOL! seriously, its getting so ridiculous on here. i hope all these pseadofans jump ship when the nets move to NY.
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12/30/2005  10:59 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

So you are saying that Marbs is the reason we haven't settled on a rotation? I think it may have a lot more to do with the fact that we don't have a SF that can shoot a 15 footer. Our leading rebounding averages 6 a game at the PF position. Our two centers have been hurt as often as they have been healthy. Our starting 2 guard has back issues and the rest of our line-up is barely old enough to buy a pack of cigarrettes. You guys are grasping for straws yet again thinking all we need is one player to turn this around.

We need guys that can put the ball in the basket. It doesn't amtter if you have Jason Kidd, if he is passing the ball to Malik Rose and Antonio Davis and a batch of career 39% shooters than you aren't winning. You'll notice that NJ has surrounded Kidd with finishers. There is a reason for this.

Number 2 we need to get stronger on the defensive end. Brevin would not change this.


No- I am saying that LB not being happy with Marbs is part of the reason the rotation is screwy.

This is conjecture, of course- but, you've got the Olympics, and then a growing sense of discord between the two.
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12/30/2005  11:04 AM
OK....Does anyone notice a pattern with LB's teams that won...

Iverson, BWallace, Billiups, Snow, McKie, Ratliff, Prince, Lynch...all these are mentally tough players who go all out on the floor every night. All are prototypical "tough, lunch pail" guys....we don't have that. Frye, Lee...Ariza...that's about all we have that is comparable to the attitude of past LB teams.
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12/30/2005  11:12 AM
Posted by Bippity10:


We need guys that can put the ball in the basket. It doesn't amtter if you have Jason Kidd, if he is passing the ball to Malik Rose and Antonio Davis and a batch of career 39% shooters than you aren't winning. You'll notice that NJ has surrounded Kidd with finishers. There is a reason for this.

Bip, I wonder a little about this. Look at Kenyon Martin's performance with Kidd and then with Miller. Night and day. Look at Vince on Toronto and then with Kidd (granted he was faking in Toronto). I have a feeling Kidd would be finding Frye, Curry, Ariza, Nate, Crawford, Lee (if he got PT), even Richardson and James for a lot more baskets.

Thoughts?
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12/30/2005  11:15 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bippity10:


We need guys that can put the ball in the basket. It doesn't amtter if you have Jason Kidd, if he is passing the ball to Malik Rose and Antonio Davis and a batch of career 39% shooters than you aren't winning. You'll notice that NJ has surrounded Kidd with finishers. There is a reason for this.

Bip, I wonder a little about this. Look at Kenyon Martin's performance with Kidd and then with Miller. Night and day. Look at Vince on Toronto and then with Kidd (granted he was faking in Toronto). I have a feeling Kidd would be finding Frye, Curry, Ariza, Nate, Crawford, Lee (if he got PT), even Richardson and James for a lot more baskets.

Thoughts?


i dont think our problem is finding these guys. our problem is that these guys rarely hit the open shot(Qrich especially, sometimes he cant get more open).
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12/30/2005  11:17 AM
I think Nash would find a way to win with these current group of guys as well. Kidd and Nash. Look what Nash did for Q, and Marion's career numbers went way up with Nash. Not to mention Joe Johnson. So a truly gifted pass first, give the ball to the right man at the right place on the court point guard can bring out an individual teammate's best, IMHO. Don't underestimate Brevin Knight either. He is not exactly surrounded by the Bird Celtics.
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12/30/2005  11:17 AM
and....“If you don’t make the basket, you ain’t getting no dime.”
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12/30/2005  11:17 AM
Posted by rojasmas:

I think Nash would find a way to win with these current group of guys as well. Kidd and Nash. Look what Nash did for Q, and Marion's career numbers went way up with Nash. Not to mention Joe Johnson. So a truly gifted pass first, give the ball to the right man at the right place on the court point guard can bring out an individual teammate's best, IMHO. Don't underestimate Brevin Knight either. He is not exactly surrounded by the Bird Celtics.

once again, Q is open, he is sitting out on the 3pt line like he supposedly likes to do, but hes just not hitting the open shots. that has nothing to do with marbs.
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12/30/2005  11:22 AM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by rojasmas:

I think Nash would find a way to win with these current group of guys as well. Kidd and Nash. Look what Nash did for Q, and Marion's career numbers went way up with Nash. Not to mention Joe Johnson. So a truly gifted pass first, give the ball to the right man at the right place on the court point guard can bring out an individual teammate's best, IMHO. Don't underestimate Brevin Knight either. He is not exactly surrounded by the Bird Celtics.

once again, Q is open, he is sitting out on the 3pt line like he supposedly likes to do, but hes just not hitting the open shots. that has nothing to do with marbs.

Absolutely true. But he's just one guy. There are a lot of other guys on the team, some of whom seem like they could finish if they were set up better, especially moving toward the hoop.
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12/30/2005  11:25 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by rojasmas:

I think Nash would find a way to win with these current group of guys as well. Kidd and Nash. Look what Nash did for Q, and Marion's career numbers went way up with Nash. Not to mention Joe Johnson. So a truly gifted pass first, give the ball to the right man at the right place on the court point guard can bring out an individual teammate's best, IMHO. Don't underestimate Brevin Knight either. He is not exactly surrounded by the Bird Celtics.

once again, Q is open, he is sitting out on the 3pt line like he supposedly likes to do, but hes just not hitting the open shots. that has nothing to do with marbs.

Absolutely true. But he's just one guy. There are a lot of other guys on the team, some of whom seem like they could finish if they were set up better, especially moving toward the hoop.

i Think Nash's assist numbers would go down in this system. He is not the best at running the half court, and no one is going to rack up the assist dumping the ball to JJ in the post. Also the Bobcats' front line is a lot better then the one the knicks have been able to field for the most part. Brevin is top ten in assist but i would not say he was a top ten PG. Who did the Bobcats draft again???
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12/30/2005  11:27 AM
Outside of Crawford, Curry and Marbs there isn't a finisher on the roster. And Craw and Marbs are also asked to distribute. This really hurts us. You know you don't have finishers when you are asking your PG's to be perfect set-up men for them to score.
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