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What's up with Marbury?
He just had an off night
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Bippity10
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12/29/2005  12:04 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
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I think Steph is at a similar stage in his career as Spree was a few years ago. He cannot survive as a leader for an awful team. I think he's ready to listen and wants to change his legacy but I don't think he can handle the pressure of leading a poor team to greatness.

I don't hate him for this.
that actually sounds very reasonable. And I do think Steph could be a wonderful piece on a team that's already a winner.

And what do you think about him coming to a team as their franchise player the way he did here?


Isles I think if you re-read my post and practiced your high school reading comprehension skills you would have the answer to that question without having to ask me.
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12/29/2005  12:08 PM
It was a shame. We were playing pretty well with Jamal, Steph and Curry(the three best players) finally on the court together. We cut the lead to three and then proceeded to turn the ball over 4 times and give up an offensive rebound on a missed foul shot which ultimately resulted in a 3 point turnaround.

This stuff is killing us.
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12/29/2005  12:09 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

It was a shame. We were playing pretty well with Jamal, Steph and Curry(the three best players) finally on the court together. We cut the lead to three and then proceeded to turn the ball over 4 times and give up an offensive rebound on a missed foul shot which ultimately resulted in a 3 point turnaround.

This stuff is killing us.

stupid turnovers kill us every night. most of the dumb ones arent by steph either.


the NJ game where we passed the ball right back to NJ 3 times after getting a defensive rebound. the last 2 games we've been called for a over-and-back violation at midcourt.


[Edited by - jaydh on 12-29-2005 12:10 PM]
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12/29/2005  12:13 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

I think Steph is at a similar stage in his career as Spree was a few years ago. He cannot survive as a leader for an awful team. I think he's ready to listen and wants to change his legacy but I don't think he can handle the pressure of leading a poor team to greatness.

I don't hate him for this.
that actually sounds very reasonable. And I do think Steph could be a wonderful piece on a team that's already a winner.

And what do you think about him coming to a team as their franchise player the way he did here?


Isles I think if you re-read my post and practiced your high school reading comprehension skills you would have the answer to that question without having to ask me.

Sorry Bip but I was asking Bonn. Thanks for taking a shot at me though.
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12/29/2005  12:19 PM
I'm sorry, but our 3 best players should NOT be all offense/no defense guys.

That's just not acceptable.

And the only thing Marbury did well last night was defend.


4 points, 3 assists.

All you guys backing him up from last night.....kindly STFU.
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12/29/2005  12:22 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I'm sorry, but our 3 best players should NOT be all offense/no defense guys.

That's just not acceptable.

oh man, dallas is in for a shocker then. good thing they didnt get the memo.
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12/29/2005  12:28 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Steph didn't play a bad game. He shot poorly, and not often enough, but the refs missed some calls, he keep the ball moving alot, and he dished in the paint alot. And he played tough D on much bigger guys.

steph was just another guy out there last night. what did he do last night that charlie ward couldn't? what did he do last night that howard eisley couldn't? he was just another body out there and i think that's why some people were upset with him.
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12/29/2005  12:31 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

I think Steph is at a similar stage in his career as Spree was a few years ago. He cannot survive as a leader for an awful team. I think he's ready to listen and wants to change his legacy but I don't think he can handle the pressure of leading a poor team to greatness.

I don't hate him for this.
that actually sounds very reasonable. And I do think Steph could be a wonderful piece on a team that's already a winner.

And what do you think about him coming to a team as their franchise player the way he did here?


Isles I think if you re-read my post and practiced your high school reading comprehension skills you would have the answer to that question without having to ask me.

Sorry Bip but I was asking Bonn. Thanks for taking a shot at me though.


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12/29/2005  12:35 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Steph didn't play a bad game. He shot poorly, and not often enough, but the refs missed some calls, he keep the ball moving alot, and he dished in the paint alot. And he played tough D on much bigger guys.

steph was just another guy out there last night. what did he do last night that charlie ward couldn't? what did he do last night that howard eisley couldn't? he was just another body out there and i think that's why some people were upset with him.
I understand that. But I don't think that game was so bad. I saw some good things in that game. Steph just needs to turn it up a little more than that and we would have won, imo. We actually got a super game out of Curry and Craw at the same time. Maybe that will get them going. getting Steph going really isn't a major conern of mine, he'll get going. Getting those guys going with some kind of sustained effort game to game is what I am mainly concerned about. If they do that again, and we all defend the 3 better, AND Steph picks his spots we'll win. I'm not gonna get so worked up about that game. Jamal does that in 3 out of every 4 games and all I ever hear is how well the offense moves while he is in. I thought the offense moved nicely last night.
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12/29/2005  12:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Steph didn't play a bad game. He shot poorly, and not often enough, but the refs missed some calls, he keep the ball moving alot, and he dished in the paint alot. And he played tough D on much bigger guys.

steph was just another guy out there last night. what did he do last night that charlie ward couldn't? what did he do last night that howard eisley couldn't?

guard grant hill
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12/29/2005  12:39 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Steph didn't play a bad game. He shot poorly, and not often enough, but the refs missed some calls, he keep the ball moving alot, and he dished in the paint alot. And he played tough D on much bigger guys.

steph was just another guy out there last night. what did he do last night that charlie ward couldn't? what did he do last night that howard eisley couldn't?

guard grant hill

come on people. was he on grant hill? yes he was. but the double team came over EVERY TIME except once. he didn't guard him one on one the 2nd half.
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12/29/2005  12:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Steph didn't play a bad game. He shot poorly, and not often enough, but the refs missed some calls, he keep the ball moving alot, and he dished in the paint alot. And he played tough D on much bigger guys.

steph was just another guy out there last night. what did he do last night that charlie ward couldn't? what did he do last night that howard eisley couldn't?

guard grant hill

come on people. was he on grant hill? yes he was. but the double team came over EVERY TIME except once. he didn't guard him one on one the 2nd half.


you could possibly attribute Eddys and JCs great night to steph since they got more shots.
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12/29/2005  12:44 PM
The one play that really killed it for me occured at the end of the 3rd period. About 15 seconds left with Marb at the top of the 3 point area in an isolation agaist Jameer freakin Nelson. He starts his move but before he even get 2 steps into it he passes to the deep wing where Malik is sitting. Wow. Holy bad decision making. All of us know that Marb could have gotten his way past Nelson and to the rim; no effort or decision making there.
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12/29/2005  12:51 PM
There was a play where Craw looked to Malik and he clearly hesitated but Malik was so wide open he dished it anyway. I think that lead to a turover.

The real killer was the 4 turnovers followed by a missed box out on a free throw. Taht was the game.
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12/29/2005  2:15 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

I think Steph is at a similar stage in his career as Spree was a few years ago. He cannot survive as a leader for an awful team. I think he's ready to listen and wants to change his legacy but I don't think he can handle the pressure of leading a poor team to greatness.

I don't hate him for this.
that actually sounds very reasonable. And I do think Steph could be a wonderful piece on a team that's already a winner.

And what do you think about him coming to a team as their franchise player the way he did here?


Isles I think if you re-read my post and practiced your high school reading comprehension skills you would have the answer to that question without having to ask me.

Sorry Bip but I was asking Bonn. Thanks for taking a shot at me though.

I don't think the idea of building around a backcourt of Marbury and Houston was a bad idea, as their skills compliment each other wonderfully. Marbury was/is an outstanding penetrater and Houston was an outstanding shooter. Bip, allanfan, and others have convinced me that there was really no way for Isiah or anyone to know back then that Houston would soon fall apart so rapidly. Microfracture surgery was pretty new; only a few NBA players had had it and with a variety of results. And Houston was playing most of the season and averaging about 19 PPG at the time.
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12/29/2005  2:22 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

I think Steph is at a similar stage in his career as Spree was a few years ago. He cannot survive as a leader for an awful team. I think he's ready to listen and wants to change his legacy but I don't think he can handle the pressure of leading a poor team to greatness.

I don't hate him for this.
that actually sounds very reasonable. And I do think Steph could be a wonderful piece on a team that's already a winner.

And what do you think about him coming to a team as their franchise player the way he did here?


Isles I think if you re-read my post and practiced your high school reading comprehension skills you would have the answer to that question without having to ask me.

Sorry Bip but I was asking Bonn. Thanks for taking a shot at me though.

I don't think the idea of building around a backcourt of Marbury and Houston was a bad idea, as their skills compliment each other wonderfully. Marbury was/is an outstanding penetrater and Houston was an outstanding shooter. Bip, allanfan, and others have convinced me that there was really no way for Isiah or anyone to know back then that Houston would soon fall apart so rapidly. Microfracture surgery was pretty new; only a few NBA players had had it and with a variety of results. And Houston was playing most of the season and averaging about 19 PPG at the time.


u sure? I remember I stopped relying on Houston way before Isiah came along. I'm sure having a $100mm man with bad knees in street cloths had a lot to do with it too
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12/29/2005  2:36 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

I think Steph is at a similar stage in his career as Spree was a few years ago. He cannot survive as a leader for an awful team. I think he's ready to listen and wants to change his legacy but I don't think he can handle the pressure of leading a poor team to greatness.

I don't hate him for this.
that actually sounds very reasonable. And I do think Steph could be a wonderful piece on a team that's already a winner.

And what do you think about him coming to a team as their franchise player the way he did here?


Isles I think if you re-read my post and practiced your high school reading comprehension skills you would have the answer to that question without having to ask me.

Sorry Bip but I was asking Bonn. Thanks for taking a shot at me though.

I don't think the idea of building around a backcourt of Marbury and Houston was a bad idea, as their skills compliment each other wonderfully. Marbury was/is an outstanding penetrater and Houston was an outstanding shooter. Bip, allanfan, and others have convinced me that there was really no way for Isiah or anyone to know back then that Houston would soon fall apart so rapidly. Microfracture surgery was pretty new; only a few NBA players had had it and with a variety of results. And Houston was playing most of the season and averaging about 19 PPG at the time.


u sure? I remember I stopped relying on Houston way before Isiah came along. I'm sure having a $100mm man with bad knees in street cloths had a lot to do with it too
Isiah came here 28 games into the season. Houston had missed about 4 or 5 games and had averaged close to 20 in the other games.
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12/29/2005  2:51 PM
Houston was having a real good beginning of the season but b/c Keith Van Horn was being a nerd, Allan was the only good player on that team, hence he was driven to the ground HARD.
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12/29/2005  3:01 PM
Isiah came here 28 games into the season. Houston had missed about 4 or 5 games and had averaged close to 20 in the other games.

but it was already clear as day that Houston was damaged goods
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12/29/2005  3:02 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Isiah came here 28 games into the season. Houston had missed about 4 or 5 games and had averaged close to 20 in the other games.
but it was already clear as day that Houston was damaged goods
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