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the david lee experiment at 3 will never work
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BRIGGS
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12/28/2005  10:26 PM
i wasnt hot on the choice and he is a real 3-4 tweener who was a 5 man in college. There is just no way at 22-23 that he is going to learn stuff like dribble -drive--just the fluidness of the 3 position. Hes a banger with some explosion, he needs to gainstarength and get rebounds. If thats not the plan, we shouldve taken another young guard like Louis Williams or a higher ceiling player like amir johnson and sat on them.
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12/28/2005  10:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

i wasnt hot on the choice and he is a real 3-4 tweener who was a 5 man in college. There is just no way at 22-23 that he is going to learn stuff like dribble -drive--just the fluidness of the 3 position. Hes a banger with some explosion, he needs to gainstarength and get rebounds. If thats not the plan, we shouldve taken another young guard like Louis Williams or a higher ceiling player like amir johnson and sat on them.

or trade him straight up for Rudy Gay!
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12/28/2005  10:31 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

i wasnt hot on the choice and he is a real 3-4 tweener who was a 5 man in college. There is just no way at 22-23 that he is going to learn stuff like dribble -drive--just the fluidness of the 3 position. Hes a banger with some explosion, he needs to gainstarength and get rebounds. If thats not the plan, we shouldve taken another young guard like Louis Williams or a higher ceiling player like amir johnson and sat on them.


if u want lee to be shawn marion then we made the wrong choice. right now he has a few intangiables in that he can pass he can rebound well and he has hustle and heart. with exprience he has the potential to be a good player...a different player, but a good player.
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12/28/2005  10:33 PM
Ive always thought of lee as an edwardo najera type of player
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12/28/2005  10:49 PM
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Posted by BRIGGS:

i wasnt hot on the choice and he is a real 3-4 tweener who was a 5 man in college. There is just no way at 22-23 that he is going to learn stuff like dribble -drive--just the fluidness of the 3 position. Hes a banger with some explosion, he needs to gainstarength and get rebounds. If thats not the plan, we shouldve taken another young guard like Louis Williams or a higher ceiling player like amir johnson and sat on them.


if u want lee to be shawn marion then we made the wrong choice. right now he has a few intangiables in that he can pass he can rebound well and he has hustle and heart. with exprience he has the potential to be a good player...a different player, but a good player.

i dont want lee to be shawn marion, i dont want him to be a 3. hes no 3 man
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12/28/2005  11:00 PM


why would we draft him to be a bench player his entire career bonn? he will have to get stronger and he can get faster and quicker too....but my whole point is he can play the 3 and the 4. i dont think he is better at right now either.
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12/28/2005  11:34 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

i wasnt hot on the choice and he is a real 3-4 tweener who was a 5 man in college. There is just no way at 22-23 that he is going to learn stuff like dribble -drive--just the fluidness of the 3 position. Hes a banger with some explosion, he needs to gainstarength and get rebounds. If thats not the plan, we shouldve taken another young guard like Louis Williams or a higher ceiling player like amir johnson and sat on them.

Your a real piece of work, Lee isn't a tweener, ok. Grow up!
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12/29/2005  12:12 AM
So a guy switches positions from college to the pros, has like 3 games at less than 10 minutes a game and we are convinced? That's about as substantial as saying Bynum sucks cause of the minutes we have seen him play.
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12/29/2005  12:16 AM
Posted by attaboy2005:
Posted by BRIGGS:

i wasnt hot on the choice and he is a real 3-4 tweener who was a 5 man in college. There is just no way at 22-23 that he is going to learn stuff like dribble -drive--just the fluidness of the 3 position. Hes a banger with some explosion, he needs to gainstarength and get rebounds. If thats not the plan, we shouldve taken another young guard like Louis Williams or a higher ceiling player like amir johnson and sat on them.

Your a real piece of work, Lee isn't a tweener, ok. Grow up!


thats cool, hes a tweener.
he could/should be a 4 man
with added core strength and tad of bodyweight



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12/29/2005  12:20 AM
Posted by martin:

So a guy switches positions from college to the pros, has like 3 games at less than 10 minutes a game and we are convinced? That's about as substantial as saying Bynum sucks cause of the minutes we have seen him play.

the skill sets he needs to be a 3 is just to overwhelming for him to make a change over. He what 6-9 235 or so add 10 pounds add strength and set your goals on becoming a great rebounder who can use his passing skills to ignite the break. go down the rosters of EVERY nba team and look at their 3s, there is NO david lees starting 3 in the nba.
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12/29/2005  12:28 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:

So a guy switches positions from college to the pros, has like 3 games at less than 10 minutes a game and we are convinced? That's about as substantial as saying Bynum sucks cause of the minutes we have seen him play.

the skill sets he needs to be a 3 is just to overwhelming for him to make a change over. He what 6-9 235 or so add 10 pounds add strength and set your goals on becoming a great rebounder who can use his passing skills to ignite the break. go down the rosters of EVERY nba team and look at their 3s, there is NO david lees starting 3 in the nba.

still not convinced, and I wouldn't compare him to other starting 3's, cause, well, I don't know how that helps.

To me he has the off-the-ground explosion and timing ala Rodman, who switched back and forth between the 3 and 4. The question for me is whether or not he has the foot speed to keep up with the other 3's in the league who start. If not, than he best start carving himself towards the PF position. But if he can he would give other 3's fits on the boards.

I think it has been mentioned previously that Lee added weight in college but lost some of the quickness. Maybe the extra weight wasn't put on properly or whatever.

It is a HUGE transition from the 5 to the 3, so we are going to have to give the coaching staff and Lee a lot of leeway.

I see foot quickness and a consistant 15 footer as Lee's stepping stones to solving the 3 spot.
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12/29/2005  12:48 AM
well, to me it makes sense to play to a guys strengths. instead of asking him to be something he is not--play to his strengths if he gains 10 pounds and strength with it, he will be strong enough to get in there at the 4 and get rebounds and use his passing ability to ignite fast breaks after the rebound. why do we want to change someone who's skill sets are much more polished for the 4 to play nba 4 he needs to gain 8-10 pounds and strength--to be an nba 3 he would need multiple and overwhelming skill set changes
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12/29/2005  12:51 AM
could be that's why we have not seen much of Lee this year. AD/Frye/MoT all getting minutes there. Even Rose for a few. Don't know, but maybe Brown/Isiah has seen something we have not cause this started way back in Summer Camp games.
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12/29/2005  12:57 AM
Posted by martin:

could be that's why we have not seen much of Lee this year. AD/Frye/MoT all getting minutes there. Even Rose for a few. Don't know, but maybe Brown/Isiah has seen something we have not cause this started way back in Summer Camp games.
I said the same thing earlier in this thread and HAVE been saying this about Lee for awhile now. I think Larry Brown would be playing the guy if he felt he deserved a chance to play. If you notice Lee has only played in select situations; situations Larry Brown that he would excel in and give the team the rebounding and hustle they needed.

I like Lee, his game is alright right now but it's good for short spurts and it will remain that way until he gets on that jumpshot and muscles up so he can bang with the 4's around the league.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-29-2005 12:58 AM]
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12/29/2005  1:17 AM
I still like Lee at the 3-spot. I did see a Shawn Marion highlight and was amazed at how similar bodies they had. Maybe I was tired though.
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12/29/2005  2:14 AM
he can play the 4 they need to just play him at the 4
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12/29/2005  9:53 AM
what's wrong with Lee at the 3?

How is he not just as bad as the other 3's we through out there with Ariza & Q?

And I love the Eduardo Najera comparison- I think we'd be lucky if he turned into that 'kind' of player.
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12/29/2005  12:55 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:

So a guy switches positions from college to the pros, has like 3 games at less than 10 minutes a game and we are convinced? That's about as substantial as saying Bynum sucks cause of the minutes we have seen him play.

the skill sets he needs to be a 3 is just to overwhelming for him to make a change over. He what 6-9 235 or so add 10 pounds add strength and set your goals on becoming a great rebounder who can use his passing skills to ignite the break. go down the rosters of EVERY nba team and look at their 3s, there is NO david lees starting 3 in the nba.

still not convinced, and I wouldn't compare him to other starting 3's, cause, well, I don't know how that helps.

To me he has the off-the-ground explosion and timing ala Rodman, who switched back and forth between the 3 and 4. The question for me is whether or not he has the foot speed to keep up with the other 3's in the league who start. If not, than he best start carving himself towards the PF position. But if he can he would give other 3's fits on the boards.

I think it has been mentioned previously that Lee added weight in college but lost some of the quickness. Maybe the extra weight wasn't put on properly or whatever.

It is a HUGE transition from the 5 to the 3, so we are going to have to give the coaching staff and Lee a lot of leeway.

I see foot quickness and a consistant 15 footer as Lee's stepping stones to solving the 3 spot.

Wow....Martin defending the fact that Lee can be a three....it feels like just yesterday myself and Martin were debating the same subject and Martin said he wasn't a 3....

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Seriously, he can play the three.....Wally Z plays the three and all he can really do is shoot, and there are plenty of three's out there who have MAJOR flaws in their games when compared to the prototypical SF (look at Bruce Bowen, Morris Peterson, All Harrington, Jared Jefferies, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Wally, Reuben Patterson, Dunleavy, James Jones.....)

BTW, I think a very valid comparison to David Lee, is he has a comparable game and ability to Shane Battier.
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12/29/2005  12:57 PM
With the way our roster is currently constructed we need a 3 that can actually shoot the ball.
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12/29/2005  12:58 PM
^ I agree or we can go out and get a 2 who can shoot...
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