Posted by Bobby:

Posted by Bippity10:

If KG had led us to nothing just like he has in Minny, we'd be booing him too!!!

you got that right...this is new york

And how many banners do we have? This goes back to my argument about tanking seasons and signing free-agents. Very few winning players are going to come here under the current atmosphere. In order to attract free-agents we need to actually win games so that our fans are behind us again and we become a target of interest. This is NY and we have to do things backwards.

Posted by Bippity10:

My honest take. Marbs did not create any atmosphere of negativity on this team. The media has targeted the Marbs/Brown clash since day one to sell papers. We hopped on and now that we are losing we search for every tiny shred of evidence that Marbs is hurting us. The media finds these little shreds and runs with it the next day, 7 newspapers talking about the same thing. Which creates more histeria. Which creates more booing. Which causes us to see things that may or may not exist, which leads to more blaming and booing, which does create a negative atmosphere around the team.

NOw honestly I feel that we need our team to get back on the road. Away from the garden. Hopefully, maybe somehow without the distractions they can somehow bond and gel and maybe put a couple of wins together. Which will do a hell of a lot more to improve the team than this nonsense booing for no reason.

Posted by nyballer:

It's tough to cheer on your team when they are down 20 to the nets and getting absolutely embarassed on both ends of the court. Whether or not it was right to boo marbury, we'll agree to disagree, but the team wasn't showing any heart or passion in the 2nd and 3rd quarter, so they deserved the boos they got.

Posted by nyballer:

Marbury was matched up against Carter for a while in the second quarter when we went with marbury crawford and nate at the guard positions. Watch how nate fights over screens and watch how Marbury doesn't - that alone shifts our entire defense out of position and allows for easy baskets. I agree, if Nate didn't get hot we probably would not have come back, and we did make some mistakes, but I can live with some mistakes if everyone is involved and putting in effort. I don't complain about Marbury turning the ball over or missing shots, it's more about how he doesn't get his teammates involved. Watch how stagnant the offense is when he is in the game. I promise you if Steph was talking to his teammates and encouraging them like guys like Nash or Kidd, or even how Nate was doing last night, a lot more guys would be willing to give him a chance.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyballer:

Marbury was matched up against Carter for a while in the second quarter when we went with marbury crawford and nate at the guard positions. Watch how nate fights over screens and watch how Marbury doesn't - that alone shifts our entire defense out of position and allows for easy baskets. I agree, if Nate didn't get hot we probably would not have come back, and we did make some mistakes, but I can live with some mistakes if everyone is involved and putting in effort. I don't complain about Marbury turning the ball over or missing shots, it's more about how he doesn't get his teammates involved. Watch how stagnant the offense is when he is in the game. I promise you if Steph was talking to his teammates and encouraging them like guys like Nash or Kidd, or even how Nate was doing last night, a lot more guys would be willing to give him a chance.

And yet you sing Craw's praises when he could be possibly the worst on the team at fighting over screens. He's a 6-5 SG/PG yet averages less than 3 rebounds a game, gets less than 1 steal per game and is shooting a career high 42% from the field. He is also not a leader.

But Craw doesn't make 20 million so we cut him slack. But if he does improve to the point where he can make that money we will turn on him too. That's the point. In NY we love the role players until they become the stars then we focus on their weaknesses.

It's NY we will always target our stars and make up excuses why we hate them. Then when they are gone and our team gets worse we will target someone else.

Any doubts right now about how valuable a healthy Allan Houston would be to this team? Only a true hater would have doubts.

Posted by Bippity10:

I was fine with the booing of the TEAM when they were playing poorly. But Marbs was targeted when Nate fouled out. So now not only is he ridiculed for not playing well but he is boo'd for someone else playing well.

After he checked in what was the affect on the team? The soul was sapped from the building again. Not by Marbs. Not by the players. By us. We quit on the team after Nate fouled out and they followed suit. You could also see it in the nerves of the players. Marbs checks in their is an immediate pi-ss poor outlet to Marbs. Followed by an asinine backcourt pass by Marbs. I contend if we had been just as loud after Nate checked out as we were when he was on the court you would have seen a much better effort for the final 3 minutes.

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyballer:

Marbury was matched up against Carter for a while in the second quarter when we went with marbury crawford and nate at the guard positions. Watch how nate fights over screens and watch how Marbury doesn't - that alone shifts our entire defense out of position and allows for easy baskets. I agree, if Nate didn't get hot we probably would not have come back, and we did make some mistakes, but I can live with some mistakes if everyone is involved and putting in effort. I don't complain about Marbury turning the ball over or missing shots, it's more about how he doesn't get his teammates involved. Watch how stagnant the offense is when he is in the game. I promise you if Steph was talking to his teammates and encouraging them like guys like Nash or Kidd, or even how Nate was doing last night, a lot more guys would be willing to give him a chance.

And yet you sing Craw's praises when he could be possibly the worst on the team at fighting over screens. He's a 6-5 SG/PG yet averages less than 3 rebounds a game, gets less than 1 steal per game and is shooting a career high 42% from the field. He is also not a leader.

But Craw doesn't make 20 million so we cut him slack. But if he does improve to the point where he can make that money we will turn on him too. That's the point. In NY we love the role players until they become the stars then we focus on their weaknesses.

It's NY we will always target our stars and make up excuses why we hate them. Then when they are gone and our team gets worse we will target someone else.

Any doubts right now about how valuable a healthy Allan Houston would be to this team? Only a true hater would have doubts.

Does this team even have any stars? I don't consider marbury one, there are many players in the league that can score 20 ppg. anyway I dont think marbury should be traded just yet, his personality doesnt seem to be that bad, I think if he worked hard enough I think he could improve his on court demeanor and his effort level, I truely beleive marbury is doing everything he can to play brown's way, But the the thing is bippity, marbury and patrick have 1 thing in common. the have personalities that its its easy to find flaws in them. people though partick was too stubborn, and people think marbury is a buzz kill for properties of their personality. In all honesty I think people prefer craw becuase he just comes off as being mare amiable than marbury.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by SlimPack:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyballer:

Marbury was matched up against Carter for a while in the second quarter when we went with marbury crawford and nate at the guard positions. Watch how nate fights over screens and watch how Marbury doesn't - that alone shifts our entire defense out of position and allows for easy baskets. I agree, if Nate didn't get hot we probably would not have come back, and we did make some mistakes, but I can live with some mistakes if everyone is involved and putting in effort. I don't complain about Marbury turning the ball over or missing shots, it's more about how he doesn't get his teammates involved. Watch how stagnant the offense is when he is in the game. I promise you if Steph was talking to his teammates and encouraging them like guys like Nash or Kidd, or even how Nate was doing last night, a lot more guys would be willing to give him a chance.

And yet you sing Craw's praises when he could be possibly the worst on the team at fighting over screens. He's a 6-5 SG/PG yet averages less than 3 rebounds a game, gets less than 1 steal per game and is shooting a career high 42% from the field. He is also not a leader.

But Craw doesn't make 20 million so we cut him slack. But if he does improve to the point where he can make that money we will turn on him too. That's the point. In NY we love the role players until they become the stars then we focus on their weaknesses.

It's NY we will always target our stars and make up excuses why we hate them. Then when they are gone and our team gets worse we will target someone else.

Any doubts right now about how valuable a healthy Allan Houston would be to this team? Only a true hater would have doubts.

Does this team even have any stars? I don't consider marbury one, there are many players in the league that can score 20 ppg. anyway I dont think marbury should be traded just yet, his personality doesnt seem to be that bad, I think if he worked hard enough I think he could improve his on court demeanor and his effort level, I truely beleive marbury is doing everything he can to play brown's way, But the the thing is bippity, marbury and patrick have 1 thing in common. the have personalities that its its easy to find flaws in them. people though partick was too stubborn, and people think marbury is a buzz kill for properties of their personality. In all honesty I think people prefer craw becuase he just comes off as being mare amiable than marbury.

So what was the excuese behind booing HOuston??????? Not an amiable enough guy for you? Maybe he prayed too much

It has nothing to do with any of that nonsense. They were the stars and we found reasons to dislike them.

Like I said, I was saying the same exact things on RumorTalk about Ewing and MSG about Houston and people argued with me and came up with just as many reasons then. But in my view it's all the same, whoever the star is will be targeted.

Trade Marbs tomorrow. I don't care, I don't even like the guy as a player. We may have to because this atmosphere is stifling and killing our team. Get him out of here so our players can focus on playing, let the attention turn to LB(who can handle it) and let the players worry about thier games instead of the circus. We will love it for about a year or too. then when we still haven't won we will kill the next star. I don't selectively forget I remember how much Marbs was cheered when we had that stretch of winning before the TThomas trade. It has nothing to do with Marbs as a player. NY is an awful place for a star to be unless you are winning titles.