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Jamal becoming a starter is long over due
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SlimPack
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12/24/2005  1:29 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

Q didn't have a training camp. I think eventually he's going to start hitting his shots and give us at least 11 & 4 in 25mins. I would still like to see Crawford start though. He is the most improved player on our team. The inconsistency this year is more attributed to the inconsistent minutes and coming into games where we are already down by double digits. As long as 70% of his shots aren't bad shots like they were last year he's going to improve. We still need a more reliable star but for now Crawford is one of the guys I have the most confidence in

I dont see how q missing so many shots is a result of not participating in the entire training camp especially since his fg% is actually only .02 points less then it was last year. and also why would coming in with a double digit deficit effect crawfords play?, and finally crawford hasnt been coming in only when the lead is double digits usually he comes in before then.



[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-24-2005 1:34 PM]
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12/24/2005  1:39 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by gunsnewing:

Q didn't have a training camp. I think eventually he's going to start hitting his shots and give us at least 11 & 4 in 25mins. I would still like to see Crawford start though. He is the most improved player on our team. The inconsistency this year is more attributed to the inconsistent minutes and coming into games where we are already down by double digits. As long as 70% of his shots aren't bad shots like they were last year he's going to improve. We still need a more reliable star but for now Crawford is one of the guys I have the most confidence in

I dont see how q missing so many shots is a result of not participating in the entire training camp. and also why would coming in with a double digit deficit effect crawfords play?, and finally crawford hasnt been coming in only when the lead is double digits usually he comes in before then.



[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-24-2005 1:29 PM]
It works like this:
Everything is Marb's fault.....nothing is Craw's fault. Keep that in mind and it will all make perfect sense to you.
I'll give you an example:

If Craw is playing poorly its because:
a) he is coming off the bench.
b) we are losing when he comes in
c) Steph isn't passing him the rock or making him better
d) Larry doesn't like him.


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12/24/2005  1:51 PM
well everyone acknowledges that Crawford is inconsistent but he's still only 25 and isn't severely overpaid and unmoveable and if one can't see the difference in his game from last year(remember how much I used to kill him and wanted to move him to the bench and bring in a real SG?) than you're not paying attention to the game and who is really the one bricking 15ft'ers. It's not Jamal not this year. the offense for the most part runs well when crawford and frye are getting the ball and when steph is penetrating and dishing to Curry.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-24-2005 1:51 PM]
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12/24/2005  1:58 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

well everyone acknowledges that Crawford is inconsistent
Everyone doesn't acknowledge it, CRZYDUMPS thinks he should be the teams primary scorer. What teamin the league has a primary scorer who avg's 14 ppg and is inconsistant?

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12/24/2005  2:09 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by gunsnewing:

well everyone acknowledges that Crawford is inconsistent
Everyone doesn't acknowledge it, CRZYDUMPS thinks he should be the teams primary scorer. What teamin the league has a primary scorer who avg's 14 ppg and is inconsistant?

yeah thats what I've been saying we lack for a long time. A guy who can rely on to score, a guy like Paul Pierce. Crawford is far too streaky as was Sprewell but the difference was Spree played great defense. As long as Crawford does other things when he's off we'll be alright. When he's off no one else steps up, thats not his fault, it's Isiah's for spending so much money and not bringing in a reliable scorer. What I would most like to see out of Crawford is for him to play his man tighter far too many times he gives the opposing shooter too much space. If he can just learn to stay on his man he'll be decent starter
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12/24/2005  2:16 PM
JC needs to come off the bench so that he can rotate to PG when steph needs to rest.
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12/24/2005  2:42 PM
Crawford only plays well when NY faces a jump-shoting backcourt. When he has to expend energy bodying up people, his shot is way off. Unfortunately for him, the East is full of big guards and so is a good portion of the West.

its not like he is Rip who is thin but muscular, Crawford is a reed. He wants to be a consistent 82 game starter, he has to put on muscle. Otherwise he will never be a true impact player.
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12/24/2005  2:43 PM
I think if you looked around the league, you would find that whenever a teams 6th man has a good game the team will win. It's no different for the Knicks and Jamal Crawford...
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12/24/2005  2:46 PM
Posted by McK1:

Crawford only plays well when NY faces a jump-shoting backcourt. When he has to expend energy bodying up people, his shot is way off. Unfortunately for him, the East is full of big guards and so is a good portion of the West.

its not like he is Rip who is thin but muscular, Crawford is a reed. He wants to be a consistent 82 game starter, he has to put on muscle. Otherwise he will never be a true impact player.


good point. it's sad that we have no one who we can rely on day in day out. not even Frye
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12/24/2005  3:06 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by McK1:

Crawford only plays well when NY faces a jump-shoting backcourt. When he has to expend energy bodying up people, his shot is way off. Unfortunately for him, the East is full of big guards and so is a good portion of the West.

its not like he is Rip who is thin but muscular, Crawford is a reed. He wants to be a consistent 82 game starter, he has to put on muscle. Otherwise he will never be a true impact player.


good point. it's sad that we have no one who we can rely on day in day out. not even Frye
I don't think you are acknowledging the fact that Crawford was brought here to be a reliable scoring option. Zeke didn't get him to average 14 ppg inconsistantly. If Craw plays well we win, Steph is pretty consistant. Everyone else is a question mark.
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12/24/2005  3:13 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:


I don't think you are acknowledging the fact that Crawford was brought here to be a reliable scoring option. Zeke didn't get him to average 14 ppg inconsistantly. If Craw plays well we win, Steph is pretty consistant. Everyone else is a question mark.

I thought Zeke's incompetence in the areas of pro-player evaluations and expectations has already been discussed.
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12/24/2005  3:16 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by McK1:

Crawford only plays well when NY faces a jump-shoting backcourt. When he has to expend energy bodying up people, his shot is way off. Unfortunately for him, the East is full of big guards and so is a good portion of the West.

its not like he is Rip who is thin but muscular, Crawford is a reed. He wants to be a consistent 82 game starter, he has to put on muscle. Otherwise he will never be a true impact player.


good point. it's sad that we have no one who we can rely on day in day out. not even Frye
I don't think you are acknowledging the fact that Crawford was brought here to be a reliable scoring option. Zeke didn't get him to average 14 ppg inconsistantly. If Craw plays well we win, Steph is pretty consistant. Everyone else is a question mark.


not consistent enough for all the money he makes but I agree Crawford is a classic example of Isiah not knowing what he is doing as far as managing the roster because he thinks he signed a superstar talent. Crawford would be a great player to have coming off the bench on a good team but we're not a good team so why not just start him? but you know what forget it. play start Q and hope we could trade him soon along with the rest of the team. Crawford is one of the few guys I don't mind keeping around as a complimentary piece as well as Curry and Frye because they're have reasonable contracts and are still young. We need a franchise talent to lead them though. Someone who can put the team on its back and lead them to victory
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12/24/2005  5:16 PM
>>Jamal wasn't consistent last year and he was never consistent with the Bulls.

This is 2005. Why must Jama be pre-judged for what he did in the past?

>>He's 25 years old and not going to change magically over nite.

Change magically? What about simple maturity? Or are you ready to crucify a player at 25 and predict his entire career?


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12/24/2005  5:22 PM
yeah I'll give crawford another 3yrs before I give up on him. I think he's going to be a lot better when he's in his prime at 28
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12/25/2005  10:14 AM
Bench QRich until he finds his stroke with some consitency. Just play the guy who's playing better. Now, it's Craw. When QRich finds his stroke, we'll see.
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12/25/2005  4:10 PM
He left it in Phoenix. Somebody send out an APB

[Edited by - bigbeast on 12-27-2005 01:56 AM]
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12/26/2005  10:53 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by McK1:

Crawford only plays well when NY faces a jump-shoting backcourt. When he has to expend energy bodying up people, his shot is way off. Unfortunately for him, the East is full of big guards and so is a good portion of the West.

its not like he is Rip who is thin but muscular, Crawford is a reed. He wants to be a consistent 82 game starter, he has to put on muscle. Otherwise he will never be a true impact player.


good point. it's sad that we have no one who we can rely on day in day out. not even Frye

Frye is a ROOKIE! Cut him some slack!
Jamal becoming a starter is long over due

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