Posted by crzymdups:

Are you kidding me? Toronto would never trade Bosh for Frye. Or Villanueva for Frye. The former because Bosh is on the verge of superstardom and the latter because he picked Charlie ahead of Frye and that would look like he was admitting a mistake.

Nah I don't think that would mean they made a mistake with Charlie. Charlie has had a couple 25pts 15reb games but he plays Bosh's position so he won't get time to shine. I think they would just be coming to grips with the fact that Bosh won't resign.

Now Bosh for Frye would be a terrible deal but if they get cap relief and some more youth slapped in there I know they would consider it. Fyre and Charlie sounds good growing together at the 4-5....then they have Joey Graham too. That's a dynamic mix at the 3-4-5. Like I said if they get cap relief this year too.......Why wouldn't they do it?

Knicks get their franchise player that still has 10 years of good play ahead of him. If Mike James and Jalen can come along too....the Knicks would have seriously gotten better in a very big way.

Posted by Bippity10:

If eddy was in the draft that be comparing him to Shaq and every fan would be complaining about how we don't have a draft pick to get the guy. Everyone here knows I am 100% correct on this, just some won't admit it.

That is such flawed reasoning it's scary. And only a complete idiot would use that as their sig.

I really don't get these ridiculous hypotheticals. So in your fantasy, is anyone else who's already in the NBA also in this draft? Like say Lebron, or Melo or a bunch of the 23 and under players that I'd rather have than Curry? Would he still have the heart problems that cut his year short last year? The type of heart problems that would have forced whatever college team he would be on now to sit him because he's uninsurable? Would that effect his draft status in any way? Did 5 years of college make his work ethic and ability to play defense and rebound any stronger than 5 years of year round professional training against the best competition in the world has? Would he even be the same player after 5 years of college as he is after 5 years in the pros?

Like I said, only an idiot would use that faulty reasoning as their sig, like just because they say it, it must be true.

But wouldn't Lebron and Melo coming out in this upcoming draft, the way Curry is in your fantasy, alter his fantasy draft status?

Hey, it's your illogical fantasy, not mine.

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by crzymdups:

Are you kidding me? Toronto would never trade Bosh for Frye. Or Villanueva for Frye. The former because Bosh is on the verge of superstardom and the latter because he picked Charlie ahead of Frye and that would look like he was admitting a mistake.

Nah I don't think that would mean they made a mistake with Charlie. Charlie has had a couple 25pts 15reb games but he plays Bosh's position so he won't get time to shine. I think they would just be coming to grips with the fact that Bosh won't resign.

Now Bosh for Frye would be a terrible deal but if they get cap relief and some more youth slapped in there I know they would consider it. Fyre and Charlie sounds good growing together at the 4-5....then they have Joey Graham too. That's a dynamic mix at the 3-4-5. Like I said if they get cap relief this year too.......Why wouldn't they do it?

Knicks get their franchise player that still has 10 years of good play ahead of him. If Mike James and Jalen can come along too....the Knicks would have seriously gotten better in a very big way.

how does Frye and Charlie growing together at the 4-5 sound better to Toronto than Bosh-Chollie growing together at the 4-5.

If they chose that route the better post scorer, defender, and rebounder Bosh makes more sense to them (and any other team for that matter) at center than Frye.


[Edited by - McK1 on 12-22-2005 2:28 PM]

Posted by Bippity10:

Again there is no fantasy here. It is reality. I am not sold on Curry but I am also not sold that Curry will not be a player either. But again, this concept should not be that hard to understand. The complaint of fans is that we traded the lottery picks for Curry. Isiah's explanation is that he did that because he felt Curry would be a better player than anyone that we could get in the draft. Right or wrong doesn't this in anyway lead to the inevitable comparison's to Curry and those that are currently in the draft? If we traded Craw for a second round pick would it be logical to compare Craw to what we could have gotten with the second round pick or would that invoke more mentions of Lebron and Melo in an attempt to inflame?

Isles on second thought, don't respond. I'm in my 30's, have a beautiful wife, a son that tried to walk today. My mood cannot be shattered by a bitter man who has no problem taking personal shots at people.

I still don't get how people fail to see that Curry will be compared to these upcoming draftees. It really makes no sense to me. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Posted by MS:

If you look at the roster the only people that have strong basketball IQ's are Rose, Lee, and Frye, maybe AD

College is the Reason why:
Steph 1 year (no defensive ablitity whatsoever)
Crawford 1 year (has been a little better, but still takes bad shots, doesn't rebound or play defense)
Q 1 year (can't defend or score in the flow of the offense)
Curry no college (can't rebound, defend, or rotate, or STAY IN SHAPE!)
Ariza 1 year (can't dribble or shoot)

Its not wonder nearly all of them don't do the little things, don't play defense or rotate around for help; Marbury is killing this team, killing them he can't play d and once he gets beat off the dribble everyone has to help leaving guys wide open on the perimeter......This is why the NBA is so hard to watch at times and the age limit was essential because you have all these kids that are athletes with no concept of how to win or how to play coming into the league and ruining its reputation because everyone wants to go one on one and take off balanced jumpers because they crossed someone up

I understand where your comming from but your reasoning is flawed. Kobe played 0 years of college ball has 3 rings. Lebron one of the best players in the game. Amare 0 yrs of college, one of top all around PF, KG etc

Isles here is the difference between you and me. When I have an opinion and someone else has an opinion I recognize it as opinion and leave it at that. YOu have so much built in anger that you feel the need to insult. But god forbid someone should do that to you.

Anyway, to your point. It's your opinion. If you had read my post you would have noticed that I had said that I am not sold on Curry and did not mention that he would be the number one pick. But at 23 I am also not giving up on the guy and realize that he has as much potential as Morrison who hasn't shown he can guard anyone at his position or Gay who is still trying to figure out the difference between a role player and a star. All the top picks have flaws. There isn't a franchise resurrector in the bunch. Anyone of them can blow up or flame out. I beleive Curry has the same possibilities in both directions. Isiah thinks he's going to be a star. I disagree with his definite view on Curry but I'm not willing to call him an idiot, because I don't agree with him. Instead I will sit back and let him be judged by how curry turns out.

For the record: At 21 I nearly failed out of college. At 22 I took one class in order to stay in college and play basketball, I drank all night and partied all day and never cracked a book. At 23 I dropped out. At 24 my parents called me a failure, my friends called me irresponsible, and my then girlfriend dumped me because I was never going to amount to anything. At 27, I figured it out. At 28 I finished my degree. At 29 I quit my deadend job and started my own business. At 31 I do quite well for myself, make more money than those that ridiculed me but never remind them of it because I've grown up.

Why don't we let Frye, and ARiza and Lee and Butler and curry grow up before we determine their ceiling. Athletic prime is 27-32.

Bippity, I apologize if you took offense. There was no intent to offend you. Only Bonn. I really am sorry.

Posted by Bippity10:

Why don't we let Frye, and ARiza and Lee and Butler and curry grow up before we determine their ceiling. Athletic prime is 27-32.

Because it's very rare for players to improve that greatly over a course of a few years. And as you've stated, it's not just 1 or 2, it's all of the young players that need to develop very basic skills.