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TheloniusMonk
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12/19/2005  12:47 PM
Everybody cut out the crap! Racism is HARDER TO PROVE AND EASIER TO DENY in this day and age. A person can be a racist (or not) and it is no concrete way to prove it. This is why it is easy to dismiss. Look at some of these senators, congresmen/women, presidents etc. So sitting around trying to prove someone is a racist or isn't a racist is pointless. You know what you feel a person is and a person knows what they are inside but neither side can totally prove either way. It's a lost cause in situations like this. If you have been the victim of it, you know the patterns in the way a person expresses their views. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. It will be a never ending cycle.
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12/19/2005  12:59 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by Bippity10:

His point of view is sad and dark and screams for therapy but it's a legitimate point of view and shouldn't be dismissed. We are 6-17, let the man talk.

Dude had this same point of view the day Isiah came here. Go back to draft day threads and you'll see he wasn't even happy with those picks perse. This has nothing to do with how these young Knicks are struggling with this guy. 6-17 has absolutely nothing to do with it. Search as hard as you can and try to find one unbias thing this guy has EVER said since Isiah has been here. Look for ONE fair observation.

It's not biased if I give reasons and it's true. I hated the Marbury trade from Day 1 and now it's not working out and Isiah is distancing himself from Marbury because every reason I gave back then is holding true.

What have I spoken out against that I was so blatantly wrong about that you could say that it's solely based on bias and not fact?
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12/19/2005  1:00 PM
That's why you leave it alone until it presents itself. Baseless accusations are hurtful to people that aren't. And even if someone hated Isiah because they were secretly racist. Who cares!!!
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12/19/2005  1:01 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bippity10:

On a side note: Isles please say something positive just so I know you are capable. Yes I know you don't owe me anything, but it would be a nice thing to do for a fellow poster.

I wish everyone on this board a very Merry Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanzaa and any other holiday that I might have missed. Peace on earth and goodwill towards all men...except Isiah because he's not a man, he's a leech.

I just don't feel this was very sincere. Except for the Isiah part. That part was spoken from the heart.
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12/19/2005  1:04 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Everybody cut out the crap! Racism is HARDER TO PROVE AND EASIER TO DENY in this day and age. A person can be a racist (or not) and it is no concrete way to prove it. This is why it is easy to dismiss. Look at some of these senators, congresmen/women, presidents etc. So sitting around trying to prove someone is a racist or isn't a racist is pointless. You know what you feel a person is and a person knows what they are inside but neither side can totally prove either way. It's a lost cause in situations like this. If you have been the victim of it, you know the patterns in the way a person expresses their views. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. It will be a never ending cycle.

Yeah in the real world you might have a point but not on a message board where all we have is our typed word. That should make it real easy to pinpoint. Like djsunyc so eloquently put it, where is the "I hate whitey" post or its equivalent?
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12/19/2005  1:13 PM
isles: I really don't have a problem with you, I just don't understand your bitterness and times and why you let that rob you of anything positive there may be about the knicks, but hey that is your right, I just hate the racist stuff, I never thought of you as that, I just don't understand why this keeps comming up. Really I like all of you guys, this is a fun place to post, that is why I do it here although I have to spend a considerable time modding another board.Lets just stick to basketball, all this other stuff, is not necessary, things are bad enough with our 6-17 record and all... and Briggs whining.... J/K Briggs, don't go nuts on me....

don't you guys agree...
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12/19/2005  1:24 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Frye and Curry were unexpected bonus additons!

We are lucky to have a nucleus of bigs to build around, somthing we did not have a few months ago!

LB is really the only coach that could have enough clout to go toe to toe with Marbs.

This team was not put together for the above, but im glad it is this way, and in time either Marbs will stop fighting it, or be gone. No, its not his team anymore, but he could be a great player.

Marbs and Craw are tentitive. They froze up in the last two minutes against indy. they passed up shots. I can't remember who of the two, but a defender fell right in front on the foul line and they had an open look, they froze!

Marbs turnover was stupid!

I have faith, and I don't care about w-l this season.

Wow; we're actually on the exact same page

Ok girl, shake up another round of Cosmos and lets talk!
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12/19/2005  1:25 PM
Islesfan does not care about short people
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12/19/2005  1:33 PM
Racist?

I think the black guys are the team are messing it up!

Ok, anyone get the joke.

IslesFan is no racist, he equally is upset with everything.

I love the article by the way. It makes Layden look good with gives me a funny feeling inside. Like its funny. Or sumptin.

Marbs is a miserable person. This is no news, but its ok to write it. Media is messed up, but the media been more right the last few years on the knicks than not. They are not fans, they call it like they see it. If they don't see it, the make it up!

Marbs problem is he gets every thing he wishes for, but the big blue Genie allways has a funny twist for him.

Can marbs Read? seriously, can the dude understand the playbook? Is he really this darn stupid he cant pick it up? Is he mentally tough, or just a beligerant diva who disquises his cool style for being ignant and insecure?
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12/19/2005  1:35 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TheloniusMonk:

Everybody cut out the crap! Racism is HARDER TO PROVE AND EASIER TO DENY in this day and age. A person can be a racist (or not) and it is no concrete way to prove it. This is why it is easy to dismiss. Look at some of these senators, congresmen/women, presidents etc. So sitting around trying to prove someone is a racist or isn't a racist is pointless. You know what you feel a person is and a person knows what they are inside but neither side can totally prove either way. It's a lost cause in situations like this. If you have been the victim of it, you know the patterns in the way a person expresses their views. Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. It will be a never ending cycle.

Yeah in the real world you might have a point but not on a message board where all we have is our typed word. That should make it real easy to pinpoint. Like djsunyc so eloquently put it, where is the "I hate whitey" post or its equivalent?

Nope, all it takes is a racial slant of view for a person to be put in tyhat category. 'I hate whitey' is BLANTANLY racist. Few few things in this day and age that deal with race is blatant. Does it exist? Yes. But the way people present it (publically) is in very subtle ways. Very few people walk around saying "I hate whitey". That would be a racial remark taken to the extreme. That's not realistic for the everyday person who has a warped view on race and yet seem to function in soicety as though they are not 'that type of person.' This is why people base it on subtlies these days. But again, it's a lost cuase because it is easier to dimiss and harder to prove and detect in these times.
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12/19/2005  1:36 PM
Look at it this way, if Marbury were traded what would we talk about? Half the threads here seem to be about Marbury.
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12/19/2005  1:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:

It's not biased if I give reasons and it's true. I hated the Marbury trade from Day 1 and now it's not working out and Isiah is distancing himself from Marbury because every reason I gave back then is holding true.

BS! You had a problem with Isiah before he made ONE MOVE as Knicks GM. For a person who has an unbiased opinion of our GM hating him before he makes any moves or selects anyone player in the draft doesn't cut it. That's called bias.

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12/19/2005  1:51 PM
Its scary what we would have to take back for Marbs if he is moveable at all though. His contact is absolutely gigantic. A great trade for us would be something like Marbury and Ariza for JWilliams and James Posey. I say great, because I think that is the high end of what we could get back, and I think we'd have to add a prospect for a team to be able to take on Marbury.
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12/19/2005  2:38 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by islesfan:

It's not biased if I give reasons and it's true. I hated the Marbury trade from Day 1 and now it's not working out and Isiah is distancing himself from Marbury because every reason I gave back then is holding true.

BS! You had a problem with Isiah before he made ONE MOVE as Knicks GM. For a person who has an unbiased opinion of our GM hating him before he makes any moves or selects anyone player in the draft doesn't cut it. That's called bias.

It's not like Isiah was some unknown quantity coming here. He had an extensive enough track record that it was not unreasonable to suggest how he would run things as the Knicks GM. If I was off base I would have admitted as much but unfortunately for us he's been running this organization into the depths of mediocrity just like I said he would 2 years ago. That's called being prescient.
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12/19/2005  2:52 PM
Nope, dude has brought in youth on a team full of old fogees prior. What's not to like? You'd have to be biased not to like the position he's put this team in for the future. Young guys who will develop and at the same time we're in a position to make moves this season, this offseason and in the future. That's what 'having young talent' means. Keep in mind that people said the old fogee contracts were 'unmoveable'.

It's just that people can't take mediocrity while players figure it out. Frye is figuring it out. Nate will figure it out....he most certainly has the talent to do it. Lee has great potential too. AT the same time Isiah has proven then when draft time comes he WILL improve the team. That means the most because this gaurantees that we have a future. I could care less if the team wins or loses this season. When it's all said and done it's about a ring. This team wasn't going to win a ring this season anyway so who cares?

So sit back and continue to watch Isiah rack up young talent. Guess you miss the days of a roster full of old vets.
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12/19/2005  3:20 PM
IT is not a racist which hates white people he is basketball racist who hates white players and as any racism this is a mental problem of his developed over time in his life.
This is not coming from his mind; it's an instinct or disease if you want.
He just has the mental problem coming from his lifetime fight with Bird. Any white player reminds him the dude and he cannot do anything with this. He needs a doctor...
But we have no discrimination in NBA against mentally unstable people so he can still do his job…

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12/19/2005  3:24 PM
Posted by arkrud:

IT is not a racist which hates white people he is basketball racist who hates white players and as any racism this is a mental problem of his developed over time in his life.
This is not coming from his mind; it's an instinct or disease if you want.
He just has the mental problem coming from his lifetime fight with Bird. Any white player reminds him the dude and he cannot do anything with this. He needs a doctor...
But we have no discrimination in NBA against mentally unstable people so he can still do his job…


And this is the exact reseason he drafted Lee over all the African American players I suppose. I get it

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12/19/2005  3:24 PM
*reason
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12/19/2005  3:26 PM
How lond Lee will be on the team???
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12/19/2005  3:27 PM
And sorry for the typo (long) - why he is playng so much???
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