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7/15/2002  4:28 PM
Posted by Dan1078:

What pt guards do you have in mind, HKF?

It's according to how the Knicks make their move to get one...

If they were to trade, I wouldn't want to see the core 3 broken up.
How possible is it to get Andre Miller or Baron Davis and keep the core? Nil...

Nick Van Exel... I don't like that trade that's been discussed.

Damon Stoudimire...Big contract about to run out, a remote possibility (IMO Portland would want to just hit him walk (right off their cap).

I don't think we should use our exceptions for strictly big men (4's and especially 5's).

Aside from that, I can't really call it this early... I want to see How Frank Willy does in this summer league. His play can determine whether another PG will even be necessary. Secondly, how this offseason progresses as far as FA signings and trades will be a big factor. More options we've yet to consider will appear.
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7/15/2002  4:39 PM
Posted by davpowerslave:


Not rush into any signings? Last year, they didnt rush and ended up with weatherspoon haha....market shrinking implies the people available are dwindling, meaning if we wait to long, we may just end up with doleac cuz he's the only one left....and as for sign and trades, the knicks have explored some possibilities and have been rebuffed so far....if teams didnt want any knick players now, why would they want them later? Really, first you explore sign and trades and trades in general, and when those avenues become closed, you go after free agents.....if you wait to long, you risk losing out on both...personally i like clark, but he wants a warm weather town, knicks havent invited him yet for a tour....they invited james, and i think they are most interested in him because they feel they could get him, clark probably wouldnt sign an offer sheet with the knicks so its a moot point, everybody thinks we can just go out and sign anybody, but the fact is that the player has to agree to an offer sheet, so if the knicks sign james, and not clark, dont be upset because that is most likely an indication that they knew clark wouldnt sign with the knicks anyway.

I am not saying to wait until the eve of training camp, just that they should not sign anyone as a knee-jerk reaction.
I wouldn't mind James, but for the whole mid-level exception?!?!? Ouch...

As far as Clark, it's a toss-up. Signing Keon or not won't have the Knicks in a "make-or-break the team" dilemma; we'll be OK...
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7/15/2002  7:43 PM
Posted by Dan1078:

Good points, bb10. I would love for the Knicks to get Keon.

They still have a chance. Check out this link

waymoresports.thestar.com...

[Edited by Andrew: The long link was messing up some browsers so I modified it a bit.]
i'd luv the knicks to get him too!! He woul be suited coming off the bench though. That' his strength!!!!!
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7/15/2002  7:47 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I believe that the best strategy is for the Knicks to not rush into any signings right off the bat. Keon, Jerome, and the other restricted FA's will see the market shrinking, and their salary demands should follow suit. If not, then the options of trades and signing unrestricted FA's like what others have been mentioning.

If we play our cards right, we can keep the core 3 intact and successfully fill all the holes in our roster.
Davepowerslave brought up a good point!! There's no need to be patient. We need to sign th first legit cat available in terms of helping the team. That's why we ended up with people like weatherspoon cause the knicks took their sweet time in finding a big man..
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7/15/2002  9:38 PM
maybe the reason that the Bucks want to trade G-Rob and Johnson for Spree is because they want to start Tim Thomas at the 3 and if Robinson was still there, he'd prob wont accept a bench role and Spree would be a spark off the bench.
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7/15/2002  11:04 PM
Posted by Knick87:

maybe the reason that the Bucks want to trade G-Rob and Johnson for Spree is because they want to start Tim Thomas at the 3 and if Robinson was still there, he'd prob wont accept a bench role and Spree would be a spark off the bench.
Sorry bro, Spree's been there before! If he's gonna be on a team, he would expect to not only start but hold a major role on the squad..

[Edited by - knicksbb10 on 07/15/2002 23:06:24]
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7/16/2002  1:08 AM
Posted by knicksbb10:

Davepowerslave brought up a good point!! There's no need to be patient. We need to sign th first legit cat available in terms of helping the team. That's why we ended up with people like weatherspoon cause the knicks took their sweet time in finding a big man..

OK, I addressed that in the post after the one you quoted.

Actually the issue of when we sign players is up to the players when its all summed up. They sign with the team they choose when they choose....
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7/16/2002  5:19 AM
Some points to consider in this debate:

1)Dice and Spree are good friends and likely to SHARE their points and responsabilities as stars of this team.

2)Wouldn't it be better to trade Houston (a younger, established player and as so more appealing to other teams) for a respectable center and a good point guard (Van Exel and Lafrenz)???

3)FACT: When the Knicks need intensity they turn to Spree. When the Knicks need points they turn to Houston and Spree, WAIT but now there's a new guy by the name of Antonio right?


[Edited by - neoxuxo on 07/16/2002 05:24:30]
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7/16/2002  5:46 AM
Posted by neoxuxo:

Some points to consider in this debate:

1)Dice and Spree are good friends and likely to SHARE their points and responsabilities as stars of this team.

2)Wouldn't it be better to trade Houston (a younger, established player and as so more appealing to other teams) for a respectable center and a good point guard (Van Exel and Lafrenz)???

3)FACT: When the Knicks need intensity they turn to Spree. When the Knicks need points they turn to Houston and Spree, WAIT but now there's a new guy by the name of Antonio right?


[Edited by - neoxuxo on 07/16/2002 05:24:30]

Welcome 2 the home of real Knicks fans!

Points well taken. If we had to break up the core 3, I would work from that angle....

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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7/16/2002  11:36 AM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Posted by neoxuxo:

Some points to consider in this debate:

1)Dice and Spree are good friends and likely to SHARE their points and responsabilities as stars of this team.

2)Wouldn't it be better to trade Houston (a younger, established player and as so more appealing to other teams) for a respectable center and a good point guard (Van Exel and Lafrenz)???

3)FACT: When the Knicks need intensity they turn to Spree. When the Knicks need points they turn to Houston and Spree, WAIT but now there's a new guy by the name of Antonio right?


[Edited by - neoxuxo on 07/16/2002 05:24:30]

Welcome 2 the home of real Knicks fans!

Points well taken. If we had to break up the core 3, I would work from that angle....

So would i hardcore, so would i haha :)....unfortunately houston is
untradable with his contract and sprewell is the only reason ppl cheer at the garden, i think its suicide to get rid of him from a fan standpoint, he's the one guy people get excited about, although i think mcdyess will become that also, but he needs time.
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7/16/2002  12:33 PM
Spree is the best player on the team but i think we are going to have to trade him because he starting to get old(32) and when we can still trade him and get something decent in return i think we should trade him when we still can.
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7/16/2002  3:47 PM
Posted by davpowerslave:
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:
Posted by neoxuxo:

Some points to consider in this debate:

1)Dice and Spree are good friends and likely to SHARE their points and responsabilities as stars of this team.

2)Wouldn't it be better to trade Houston (a younger, established player and as so more appealing to other teams) for a respectable center and a good point guard (Van Exel and Lafrenz)???

3)FACT: When the Knicks need intensity they turn to Spree. When the Knicks need points they turn to Houston and Spree, WAIT but now there's a new guy by the name of Antonio right?


[Edited by - neoxuxo on 07/16/2002 05:24:30]

Welcome 2 the home of real Knicks fans!

Points well taken. If we had to break up the core 3, I would work from that angle....

So would i hardcore, so would i haha :)....unfortunately houston is
untradable with his contract and sprewell is the only reason ppl cheer at the garden, i think its suicide to get rid of him from a fan standpoint, he's the one guy people get excited about, although i think mcdyess will become that also, but he needs time.

Suicide- an accurate term for trading Spree- for exactly those reasons, among others previously stated. However, I wouldn't call Allan untradeable, just a bit more complicated. NYK may still keep the core 3 together, but we can only see those cards when they're played...
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7/17/2002  3:59 AM
knicksbb10 "He chucks the damn ball and doesn't like to pass when he gets it. He's a ballhog!!!!! you know it and so do i..."

Houston is career 44% shooter, and Spree is a career 43%, and somehow you think one is a chucker, and the other is god’s gift to NBA.
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7/18/2002  2:00 PM
Posted by nwny:

knicksbb10 "He chucks the damn ball and doesn't like to pass when he gets it. He's a ballhog!!!!! you know it and so do i..."

Houston is career 44% shooter, and Spree is a career 43%, and somehow you think one is a chucker, and the other is god’s gift to NBA.

Ouch! I see that facts do indeed always end the argument. Bias gets exposed as well.
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7/21/2002  12:30 AM
Houston is career 44% shooter, and Spree is a career 43%, and somehow you think one is a chucker, and the other is god’s gift to NBA.
I didn't imply one is god's gift to the NBA. The thing is Spree tends to get outta controlor should i sau overly aggressive where as H20 is a bonifide lethal shooter.
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First I would like to say that I like Allan Houston. But he’s a “bonafide lethal shooter” that takes to many games off. They next time you watch a Knick game, don’t watch the ball, just watch AH. He stands around and waits for the ball to come to him. Then he complains he’s not getting the ball in his words “the spots he likes”. What the h** is that? Fundamentals Allan! Fundamentals! You have to move without the ball. Look at the best 2 guards in the NBA. They all move without the ball. This makes them very, very difficult to guard. I thought Cheney would be the one to get this out of him, but it doesn’t seem to be helping. I’ll never forget the NBC game this past season when the sideline reporter announced that AH has H20 written on his sneakers, and one of the studio guys asked if that was because he wars the #20. When it was discovered that he puts H20 on his sneakers because in his words “my jump shoot flows like water”. The entire NBC staff began to make fun of him. Then they began show AH 4th quarter stats during his Knick career, and they showed clip, after clip of Allan playing poorly. It was embarrassing for me as Knick fan. 44% does not make him a bonafide lethal shooter.
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7/21/2002  6:02 AM
Posted by nwny:

First I would like to say that I like Allan Houston. But he’s a “bonafide lethal shooter” that takes to many games off. They next time you watch a Knick game, don’t watch the ball, just watch AH. He stands around and waits for the ball to come to him. Then he complains he’s not getting the ball in his words “the spots he likes”. What the h** is that?
Absolutely right. It sounds like someone not rotating on offense.
I'm glad to see that I am not the only one to have noticied this. Good observation, nwny.

Fundamentals Allan! Fundamentals! You have to move without the ball. Look at the best 2 guards in the NBA. They all move without the ball. This makes them very, very difficult to guard. I thought Cheney would be the one to get this out of him, but it doesn’t seem to be helping. I’ll never forget the NBC game this past season when the sideline reporter announced that AH has H20 written on his sneakers, and one of the studio guys asked if that was because he wars the #20. When it was discovered that he puts H20 on his sneakers because in his words “my jump shoot flows like water”. The entire NBC staff began to make fun of him. Then they began show AH 4th quarter stats during his Knick career, and they showed clip, after clip of Allan playing poorly. It was embarrassing for me as Knick fan. 44% does not make him a bonafide lethal shooter.

Don't forget all of his missed defensive assignments (due to his lack of rotation on defense).
Your argument's airtight, man. This one's over.
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7/21/2002  7:11 AM
Getting back on topic...

Mercy Killing of the Atlanta trade rumor:
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/45637.htm

...and for all the "Big Dog can come to NY" supporters (LOL):
http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2002/0720/1408202.html

All while the Base Year designation is about to be removed from Allan Houston's contract in a week or so... Maybe all the Spree trade hype is just that. Hype. LMAO
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7/21/2002  9:41 AM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Getting back on topic...

Mercy Killing of the Atlanta trade rumor:
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/45637.htm

...and for all the "Big Dog can come to NY" supporters (LOL):
http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2002/0720/1408202.html

All while the Base Year designation is about to be removed from Allan Houston's contract in a week or so... Maybe all the Spree trade hype is just that. Hype. LMAO

Well then if knick fans feel layden should get rid of the contract, i guess their wish will come true. Whats so funny is when H20 is traded, you guys are gonna eventually say" oh man, we need a shooter, trading H20 was probably a mistake" Anyway, i heard LAyden's plan is to eventually trade both of them before while they both have value. Not necessarily at the same time but Layden has finally got the picture that Knicks need to look younger.
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7/21/2002  10:11 AM
Unless Sprewell is traded for Robinson (the Bucks seem interested) it's highly likely both Houston and Sprewell are back for another season.
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