Posted by BRIGGS:

would i trade
mike Sweetney and Rudy gay for eddie curry? NO anyone else?
Mike Sweetney and Rajon Rondo for Eddie Curry?No anyone else?
Mike Sweetney and Lamarcus Aldridge for Eddie Curry NO
Mike Sweetney and Adam Morrison for Eddie Curry? No anyone else?


in fact i came up with several more names that I would NOT pair with Mike Sweetney AND give up my rights to the greg oden draft for Eddie Curry we give away 2nd round picks like the cherries on top we have 0 value for them--heck we paid how much to SA to get malik for pick 30+30? and we are likely to have what pick 33 this year--oh yeah thats in houston for mo taylor.
Let isiah Thomas come on this board and refute me. Im not an idiot, Id like to debate this with any so-called nBA professional, ESPECIALLY given NO NBA team wanted eddie in FA

which leads me to point 2 if any scker thinks that they [knick management] didnt think they were a sure-fire playoff team now, you are foolish. they dont have a 125 MILLIOn $ payroll because they are rebuilding---what business fundtion increases payroll at such huge rates to lose more money? NONE--in times of despair business CUT payroll---you see they didnt acquire Q-Rich for 40mm Jerome James for 30mm Mo taylor for 9mm per Malik rose for 6.6mm per in the last 6-7 months to ebuild--you dont rebuild with those types you are trying to win now. What has happened is utter failure--the players are ineffecient soft and dont mesh. if we were rebuilding no rookie would have a jacket on like david lee for multiple games to let 37 year old davis play--its a lie--but its a convenient lie we put pieces that dont fit together and its going to be hard to descramble them.

Isiah did a good job of drafting Trevor Ariza Channing Frye and David Lee. I like nate at 30 but not for a larry brown team.
the eddie curry trade could equla disaster so i give no grade but it has a high chance of big time back fire.

other than that isiah has clearly wasted 300+ mmillion dollars with Taylor marbury Craw Q-rich really every vet he acquired


like i said i think we are going in the right direction somewhat --i mean we have spent so much money we have had to get something for it, no? i mean we couldnt have 12 earl boykins for 300-400mm spent? but for the monetary advantage we have, they have[knicks management] should be rated as a d since isiah walked in.


they have to admit failue to themsleves first back up stop lying and try to JUSt get rid of some guys who just dont fit. Ill trad q -rich for a bag of peanuts--anyone buying?

Posted by martin:

Dolan would have never hired you because he could have kept Layden and told him to do nothing. And he would have lost millions of corporate dollars and you would have brought financial ruin. Try again, but without the do nothing but draft because those were not the parameters that he set for Isiah, something like this: We need a splash and need to be in the papers and with some buzz.

I can see how you hate this rebuild cause it doesn't fit your model of rebuild, so let's not go overboard and say that Isiah has brought ruin to the organization. It's the hand he was dealt and how he was told he could play it.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by martin:

Dolan would have never hired you because he could have kept Layden and told him to do nothing. And he would have lost millions of corporate dollars and you would have brought financial ruin. Try again, but without the do nothing but draft because those were not the parameters that he set for Isiah, something like this: We need a splash and need to be in the papers and with some buzz.

I can see how you hate this rebuild cause it doesn't fit your model of rebuild, so let's not go overboard and say that Isiah has brought ruin to the organization. It's the hand he was dealt and how he was told he could play it.

well, I think that a reasonable businessman would listen to a reasonable business approach. basketball is cyclical--if you dont acknowledge that, you pay bloated payrolls over 100 mm --luxury taxes of 50mm -- win 25 games and give your lottery picks away. By keeping to the fiscal part of the model you stay away from the jerome james's the mo taylors q rich because they do not fit.

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

would i trade
mike Sweetney and Rudy gay for eddie curry? NO anyone else?
Mike Sweetney and Rajon Rondo for Eddie Curry?No anyone else?
Mike Sweetney and Lamarcus Aldridge for Eddie Curry NO
Mike Sweetney and Adam Morrison for Eddie Curry? No anyone else?


in fact i came up with several more names that I would NOT pair with Mike Sweetney AND give up my rights to the greg oden draft for Eddie Curry we give away 2nd round picks like the cherries on top we have 0 value for them--heck we paid how much to SA to get malik for pick 30+30? and we are likely to have what pick 33 this year--oh yeah thats in houston for mo taylor.
Let isiah Thomas come on this board and refute me. Im not an idiot, Id like to debate this with any so-called nBA professional, ESPECIALLY given NO NBA team wanted eddie in FA

which leads me to point 2 if any scker thinks that they [knick management] didnt think they were a sure-fire playoff team now, you are foolish. they dont have a 125 MILLIOn $ payroll because they are rebuilding---what business fundtion increases payroll at such huge rates to lose more money? NONE--in times of despair business CUT payroll---you see they didnt acquire Q-Rich for 40mm Jerome James for 30mm Mo taylor for 9mm per Malik rose for 6.6mm per in the last 6-7 months to ebuild--you dont rebuild with those types you are trying to win now. What has happened is utter failure--the players are ineffecient soft and dont mesh. if we were rebuilding no rookie would have a jacket on like david lee for multiple games to let 37 year old davis play--its a lie--but its a convenient lie we put pieces that dont fit together and its going to be hard to descramble them.

Isiah did a good job of drafting Trevor Ariza Channing Frye and David Lee. I like nate at 30 but not for a larry brown team.
the eddie curry trade could equla disaster so i give no grade but it has a high chance of big time back fire.

other than that isiah has clearly wasted 300+ mmillion dollars with Taylor marbury Craw Q-rich really every vet he acquired


like i said i think we are going in the right direction somewhat --i mean we have spent so much money we have had to get something for it, no? i mean we couldnt have 12 earl boykins for 300-400mm spent? but for the monetary advantage we have, they have[knicks management] should be rated as a d since isiah walked in.


they have to admit failue to themsleves first back up stop lying and try to JUSt get rid of some guys who just dont fit. Ill trad q -rich for a bag of peanuts--anyone buying?

I can shoot down your assumptions so fast and it will make your argument crumble in a second man.

You state that NO other team was interested in Curry. Bull crap. You have zero way of knowing this. ZERO. Maybe you are relying on Chad or whatever but there were other offers and inquires.

Let me put this to you clearly: The Knicks have a $125 million dollar payroll and they are also rebuilding. Deal with it. Just because you as a team are bleeding through the nose does not make it mutually exclusive for you to be rebuilding. What part of younger bodies do you not understand? Frye, Lee, Nate, Crawford, Jackie, Curry are all young. Your definition of rebuilding means collecting draft picks and starting from scratch and maybe signing a free agent. Guess what? In NY you cannot do this. Why? It’s financially unreasonable. Same for the Yankees. The Yankees as a baseball organization lost money because of payroll, but baby, they don’t count the revenue made by TV, corporate sponsors and other whatnot. Same with the Knicks, they have the highest per seat average and with the other streams, they cannot afford to be Atlanta or Toronto for years.

Now, how many more picks do you want on this team? You almost have too many young guys and the current ones need playing time. So why are you complaining about some more second round picks that they included in the Curry deal? Oh, and anyone with a right mind would also say that Jackie would be a middle first rounder this year. We do have SA 30th pick and also have Isiah. First you praise Isiah for being a talent guy and then you shoot down the notion of the 30th pick. Don’t both add up together to be OK. You and I both can rattle off a full list of potential candidates at the 30 range that are impact.

The Knicks were only in a position to increase payroll to increase talent OR they would have had to sit until Houston came off the books plus about 3-4 years it would take Bynum to grow up. That’s a total of 6-7 years of HUGE losses. That’s financial mismanagement of ungodly proportions BRIGGS. And that’s what you call irresponsible.

I don’t know where you came up with the $300million dollar number. Look man, AD and Penny come off the books this year, Houston and Mo T next and JYD after that. And soon you loose your financial argument angle.

Curry is a risk, but that’s the position the Knicks were in. The guy is 23 and has really not been coached well. Isiah has surrounded him with the best teaching coach out there. Any reasonable person would say that Curry/Frye is a great freaking front line to build around. Maybe you would stake your team around Sweets and Gay. That’s nice.

You keep saying that what has happened is utter failure, but it’s only failure because it is not what you would have done. Here is a benchmark: What would have done in the 2 years since Isiah has taken over? Tell us your moves.

Look man, AD and Penny come off the books this year, Houston and Mo T next and JYD after that. And soon you loose your financial argument angle.