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Bonn1997
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12/18/2005  9:49 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Curry has only played 24 mpg and is grabbing 6 boards a game. Compare that with 5.6 in 30 mpg last year, and I think it's fair to say he's making baby steps.

1.1 blocks per game in 24 mpg. that's an improvement over 0.9 in 30 mpg.

Jury's still out on Curry. He's shown he can put up monster games, like the one in Utah.
And he's doing that without a summer for Isiah, Larry, and Aguire to whip him into shape.

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12/18/2005  9:50 PM
If we were to offer Curry to ATL for Marvin Williams and Josh Childress would ATL do it??

Edit. Or what if we add in a piece like Ariza.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 12-18-2005 9:52 PM]
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12/18/2005  9:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Bonn1997:

You get a player with a lower ceiling (JJ) and you have to give up less (merely protected picks). It makes sense.

Are you serious? A 2-way guard who can play all 3 perimeter positions effectively, Can drain shots out to 3, and is only 24 has a low ceiling?

Do you know the difference between "low" and "lower"?


yep and it doesn't apply here. Joe Johnson is just scratching the surface. What is the likelihood Curry will never be able to transform his body? That will determine his "ceiling" more than anything else.

Not sure how much Aguirre can do with him if he doesn't have the physical strength or conditioning to apply things he learns. Guys look good 1 on 1 in an open gym standing under a hoop. When its 5 on 5 and being run up and down the court then run across the paint and baseline - everything changes.
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12/18/2005  9:59 PM
regardless of the #1's we gave up...we DO NOT TRADE curry. this is the type of guy you spend YEARS trying to get right b/c if he ever does "get right", we're talking about DEEP runs in the playoffs.
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12/18/2005  10:01 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

If we were to offer Curry to ATL for Marvin Williams and Josh Childress would ATL do it??

Edit. Or what if we add in a piece like Ariza.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 12-18-2005 9:52 PM]


Atlanta had the chance to sign him outright and didn't, they chose Zaza instead. Plus they have drafted Josh Childress Josh Smith and Marvin Williams the last 2 years, what use do they have for Ariza?
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12/18/2005  10:47 PM
Where they scared of his heart problem or did they just not want to spend money on him?? And Ariza was added in if case they were to trade Childress and Marvin Williams then that would be 2 Fs for a center. I added Ariza to give them a F.

How about Curry, Penny or A.D for Bosh and J.Rose. Would Toronto be willing to do a deal like that since Bosh has said he is likley not to return.

Curry will allways have value. He is a skilled 22yr old 6'11 center who put up 16pts 6rebs at 21. You might be able to get an allstar for him especially if you are to add in another simple piece. If he doesn't do anything he still will have good value because of his size. We wouldn't get as much as we gave up but you gotta take the chance. You think Chi was just going to give away there center. Now what about the possibility he becomes a stud 1-2yrs from now. How much better that makes us. But I expect there to be whinning of any move that doesn't show immediate results. Thats just how we are.
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12/18/2005  10:57 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I'm sorry Mck, but I wouldn't dare put Sweets in the same sentence as Curry.

Agguire commented after training camp that he was shocked at how poorly coached he was in Chicago, and how he basically got through putting up 15 and 6 on raw talent and nothing more.

Once he gets healthy, and continues working on his game and improving, Eddy could become the most dominant Center in the leage after Shaq.

Sweets........won't.


THAT'S the difference. Real Centers are worth their weight in gold. And considering the fact that JJ is set to make 15 million a year, and Curry only 8 or 9, I'm pretty happy with the trade.

Zeke did what he had to bring him in.
Thats exactly how I feel. This was a worthwhile risk and we will have to wait until the end of the year to gauge it. If we turn it up and make or just miss the playoffs, this is nothing to discuss. This is only noteworthy because after 20 games we are amongst the bottom of th league. Lets see what happens by the trade deadline, and then at the end of the year.
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12/18/2005  11:17 PM
so why do you think Curry's contract is uninsured?

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12/18/2005  11:19 PM
Posted by McK1:

so why do you think Curry's contract is uninsured?

Huh?

Not sure I get where youre going with that...
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12/19/2005  1:21 PM
Posted by McK1:

so why do you think Curry's contract is uninsured?

Is contract is insured. Knicks got insurance after he signed it. Was in all the papers, I won't bother to link. Just research.
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12/19/2005  1:37 PM
Curry chronicles:


http://games.espn.go.com/cgi/fba/playernewsarchive?statsId=990

no it isn't. Knicks tried to get it.

Paxson wasn't going to let Curry play for the Bulls again w/o the DNA test. He was offering Curry some sort of lifetime salary as a Bulls "employee" had he taken it and failed. Curry still refused

http://www.plastic.com/comments.html;sid=05/10/05/07404975;cid=8

no insurance but an opt-out for NY due to heart failures:

I'm sure the Knicks feel they're managing their risk, in two ways:

First, they have a team of doctors looking at Curry's health data to determine whether he's fit to play. Isiah must have said "I have tremendous confidence in our medical team" about 12 times in a 20-minute press conference on Tuesday night. He said the Knicks' doctors had reviewed the situation "from afar" and talked to some of Curry's doctors before executing the trade.

Second, the Knicks put some language in Curry's contract that gives them an escape hatch if the heart condition renders him unable to play.

However, Curry's contract isn't insured, as far as we know. (Thomas deflected questions about insurance, which I presume means the contract is just as uninsurable as it was three days ago.) That doesn't necessarily affect the Knicks on the court, but it does make Curry impossible to trade at virtually any point in the future. No matter what Eddy does in New York, the Knicks are stuck with him. With a coach who wants to trade his players about once every three weeks, that could make for interesting theater.

Thus, the Knicks didn't just give up Michael Sweetney and Tim Thomas. They also gave up an insurable contract, multiple draft choices, and the increased risk of a free-agent departure -- all to pay more money for a player the Knicks essentially already had in Sweetney: a high percentage-shooting big man who is in less-than-ideal shape and struggles on defense.

http://grizzlies.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/198607274/m/3901095901/p/1

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-19-2005 1:38 PM]
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12/19/2005  2:18 PM
Curry is never going to get healthy he is always going to be overwieght and is never going to put in the effort. Curry was out with a girl that was not his wife this weekend at nearly two in the morning looking into Ferrari's the guy doesn't get it nor will he ever, he has his money so he is pretty much retired......

And Isiah makes rush moves insted of trying to make a sign and trade for Joe Johnson, which he might have been able to do had he offered KT and Ariza, he trades for a player with a bad back that is one dimensional.....

He brings in Barnes and Woods instead of looking at sprewell, he signs james instead of takin hunter of paculia, he rushes and doesn't have a plan......

Fyre is going to be a very good player but he doesn't seem to have the dominant mean streak that he will need, he reminds me of randloph, rahim on a production level.....we are putting the hopes of the franchise in him, and i think lee and robinson are going to be solid NBA players in two years, but we can't bank on a center that doesn't love the game or do the littel things to win games like defense rebounding and shot blocking.....he might be leading the league in offensive fouls.....
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12/19/2005  2:23 PM
I think one of the reasons the Knicks had to waive any protection on the 06 pick is because there's still a pick from the Marbury deal floating around (the Jazz own it now) that is protected, but by a lower ammount each year. In 2010 that pick in unprotected. I don't think we could have another protected pick floating around because there would be too many scenarios where both the Bulls and Jazz wanted the same pick.
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12/20/2005  8:43 PM
Curry was in excellent shape last year before his heart situation side-lined him. This year will be up and down because of the injuries and the fact that he didn't get a chance to work-out over the summer due to the heart situation. His upside is way higher than sweets simply because he's a center. Sweets has trouble getting his shot over long armed athletic PF's.

We'll see flashes of what Curry can do this year and next year I expect big things from him. A full summer to work out and come back in better shape. Just because he picked up ball late becuase he was tall doesn't mean anything. Olajuwon picked up the game late, so did Duncan, etc. Give Curry time, hes still 23 yrs old. He'll develop a left and drop step soon enuff. And his stok isn't bad. From the foul line it loks pretty smooth unlike Shaq who doest have a stroke to speak of
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