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If this losing continues early 2006, Dolan will fire Isiah.
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WOODMANnYk
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12/18/2005  9:43 PM
6 - 17 after 23 games?? who would ever thought the knicks would be 6 - 17??? DAMN!!!

Leaves a bad taste on my mouth and pain up the gut.. totally disgusted!!!!

125mm team with a record of 6 - 17.. NO excuses!!! Someone within the organization will pay the price who?? we will see..
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12/18/2005  9:46 PM
I have been a fan for many years. And I would venture to say if Pat riles ws coaching this team we would have a better record period. there is no reason why this team should not have won more than six games. now how can you justify that? martty...
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12/18/2005  9:51 PM
Riley would have built the offense around Marbury's ability to score the ball.
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12/18/2005  9:51 PM
I stopped paying attention to the W-L record and watch the games just because I enjoy seeing Frye and Curry (before the injury) make progress. The record doesn't carry over into subsequent years but the progress the young guys make will.
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12/18/2005  9:53 PM
If we still had the pick, I would feel the same way.
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12/18/2005  9:56 PM
I haven't heard any expert talk about any of the draft prospects as being franchise players. At 22, Curry in contrast does have the potential to be a star in this league. Whether we have a pick or not, it will be great for our future if Curry and Frye make progress throughout this season. That's what I care about when I watch each game.
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12/18/2005  10:01 PM
Again, it's about Lee, not Curry.
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12/18/2005  10:08 PM
Why is there so much hate toward Zeke in this forum ?? Some of you guys really want this team to fail just so you can say i told you Zeke needs to be fired. GET A GRIP !!!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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12/18/2005  10:09 PM
People are merely impatient to see the team start winning consistently.
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12/18/2005  10:10 PM
Posted by Rich:

Again, it's about Lee, not Curry.


I know you are right about Lee, but even if it was just for Curry, like I said below I wouldnt trade a top 5 pick + Sweetney for Curry. Even if it wa for Curry, which it wasnt, but even if it was--why pay over the top when NO other team was willing to pay? thats my whole shin dig--why did we go overboard in terms of compensation? Chicago was staring at NOTHINg--would a lottery protected 31 and Sweetney be fair value vs NOTHING? again were staring at two HIGH lottery picks in the face going to the Bulls+ Sweetney--every time I think about it, it was insane--for kobe bryant yes, for eddie curry NO.
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12/18/2005  10:10 PM
Posted by OngBok:

Why is there so much hate toward Zeke in this forum ?? Some of you guys really want this team to fail just so you can say i told you Zeke needs to be fired. GET A GRIP !!!

criticism EQUALS hate on this board.

hate is when there is no facts to support the hate.

there are many things at fault with zeke (and steph) so it's criticism.

criticism DOES NOT EQUAL hate.
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12/18/2005  10:13 PM
Zeke brought you CURRY / FRYE / NATE / LEE / BUTLER / CRAW / in just 2 yrs !!! Hell look how long it took the Bulls to recover !! We are ahead of their schedule by 5 yrs atleast !! Just stop the whining and let another season and a half go by before you write the obituauary on IT !!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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12/18/2005  10:13 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Rich:

Again, it's about Lee, not Curry.


I know you are right about Lee, but even if it was just for Curry, like I said below I wouldnt trade a top 5 pick + Sweetney for Curry. Even if it wa for Curry, which it wasnt, but even if it was--why pay over the top when NO other team was willing to pay? thats my whole shin dig--why did we go overboard in terms of compensation? Chicago was staring at NOTHINg--would a lottery protected 31 and Sweetney be fair value vs NOTHING? again were staring at two HIGH lottery picks in the face going to the Bulls+ Sweetney--every time I think about it, it was insane--for kobe bryant yes, for eddie curry NO.

it's b/c we have to bail out every franchise.

pheonix didn't want marbury. marbury + penny = over $100 mil. do you guys realize that? we bailed them out and saved pheonix over $100 MILLION DOLLARS AND we still gave them two #1's.

chicago didn't want crawford. so we bailed them out and saved them an extra $30 MILLION DOLLARS in jyd.

houston didn't want mo taylor. so we bailed them out and saved them $10 MILLLION DOLLARS AND gave them a 2nd round pick.

i hope isiah is the godfather and collects TEN FOLD when it's time for other teams to ante up.
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12/18/2005  10:14 PM
Posted by OngBok:

Zeke brought you CURRY / FRYE / NATE / LEE / BUTLER / CRAW / in just 2 yrs !!! Hell look how long it took the Bulls to recover !! We are ahead of their schedule by 5 yrs atleast !! Just stop the whining and let another season and a half go by before you write the obituauary on IT !!

i personally never advocated firing isiah. he'll get a little more time but i think his defining move will be what he does or doesn't do with marbury.
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12/18/2005  10:21 PM
Posted by OngBok:

Why is there so much hate toward Zeke in this forum ?? Some of you guys really want this team to fail just so you can say i told you Zeke needs to be fired. GET A GRIP !!!


The word hate is rediculous. I certainly dont hate anyone, but suggesting that someone has done a poor job and needs to think things through a whole lot more going forward should be taken as constructive critiscm-- NOT BS NY fans would go a long way. Dont keep using the word rebuild isiah, because SMART NY fans will become belligerent at the garden and that is a nightmare. How about say we made some mistakes retooling the team but we will learn from them going forward. We have some nice young pieces in place and we will do our best going into the future to make sure we have the RIGHT veteran mix to balance the team correctly. when you BS, when you lie people get pssed off. When you are contrite, honest and reasonable, fans will be more willing to be patient.
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12/18/2005  10:22 PM
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Originally posted by OngBok:

Why is there so much hate toward Zeke in this forum ?? Some of you guys really want this team to fail just so you can say i told you Zeke needs to be fired. GET A GRIP !!!

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criticism EQUALS hate on this board.

hate is when there is no facts to support the hate.

there are many things at fault with zeke (and steph) so it's criticism.

criticism DOES NOT EQUAL hate.



What is there to criticize bro ?? I mean we had Ward / Spoon / Harrington / Deke / Eisley / Anderson / Moochie / KT / Spencer / Lampe / Vujanic / and any bum i missed. You tell me where are they now and what are thay doing ?? You only option is KT and he isn't lighten it up. But on the other hand you have CURRY / FRYE / NATE / LEE / BUTLER / CRAW / WOODS / ARIZA / i mean that is a nice YOUNG, CHEAP, CORE of players that ZEKE got us in just 1 yr and 1 draft !!! Remember when the league thought that J O'neal / Tinsley / Harrington / Bender / Jones were all garbage but he had a vision. Now who is the stars ??
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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12/18/2005  10:24 PM
Donnie Walsh. It was a shared format. The type of players and construct of the team was never left to Isiah by himself in Indiana.

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-18-2005 10:25 PM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/18/2005  10:30 PM
UNO MOMENTO !!! Zeke's players:

CAMBY
CARTER
O'NEAL
HARRINGTON
FRYE
LEE
BUTLER
NATE
STOUDAMIRE
TINSLEY

Those guys are all successful with 3 super stars ( Carter, Camby, O'neal ) you would kill to have those guys.

Then the guys on the verge of being stars ( Harrington, frye )

Then the solid players ( Nate, Tinsley, Butler, Stoudamire, Lee )

I would take his track record over anyone else in the league !!!

PLEASE PULL UP ANY GM AND COMPARE IN THE FIRST 2 YRS ON THE JOB !!!


I DARE YOU !!
Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
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12/18/2005  10:39 PM


TheloniusMonk
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If only those guys were all on this team!
Didn't he draft McGrady as well?

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OngBok
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Damn my bad Monk, he did draft T-Mac !!! Yet another one !!

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OngBok
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But we do have Lee / Curry / Frye / Butler / Nate and oh by the way Harrington might be on the way home.

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Isiah Thomas will lead us back to the playoffs in 2006 !!!
McK1
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12/18/2005  10:49 PM
Posted by OngBok:

UNO MOMENTO !!! Zeke's players:

CAMBY
CARTER
O'NEAL
HARRINGTON
FRYE
LEE
BUTLER
NATE
STOUDAMIRE
TINSLEY

Those guys are all successful with 3 super stars ( Carter, Camby, O'neal ) you would kill to have those guys.

Then the guys on the verge of being stars ( Harrington, frye )

Then the solid players ( Nate, Tinsley, Butler, Stoudamire, Lee )

I would take his track record over anyone else in the league !!!

PLEASE PULL UP ANY GM AND COMPARE IN THE FIRST 2 YRS ON THE JOB !!!


I DARE YOU !!


Isiah didn't draft Carter.

Donnie Walsh had input into the decision to acquire O' Neal.

Isiah didn't draft Harrington.

Lee Butler Nate are role players on their best nights.

Stoudamire couldn't sustain his stardom on a good to great team.

Tinsley didn't become a top pg until Carlisle. Under Isiah he was very erratic.
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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