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12/16/2005  3:04 PM
Posted by tomverve:
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i don't know how many others here think this but i know moving marbury doesn't mean that we'll win. so i can understand why some don't want to move him. on the other hand, it's not like we're winning WITH him. so what is isiah gonna do? wait it out or turn the page? whatever the case, we're all in it for the ride.


Seriously, as far as the team goes, I wouldn't mind a Marbs trade. Even in the best case scenario, if he turns it around under LB and all that, I don't see that we'll be able to fill out the rest of the roster to the point where we'll be a serious title contender before Marbury starts to decline due to age, wear & tear. So he's not an untouchable, no.
as for annoying BS, i don't think that's fair b/c i'm sure the some of the people that want him gone are saying the same thing about the "let's be patient with him" camp as well.

It looks to me like one camp constantly harps on it over and over, while the other only voices their opinions in response to that constant harping. Some folks are just over the edge obsessed with this whole thing. It's so very, very old at this point. What in the world will those guys talk about if/when Marbury is traded? Probably they'll spend all of their time talking about that one time when Marbury was traded and how glad they are he's gone. I don't see how anyone involved can not be sick of it by now.


I know that as a huge Knicks fan since 1994 I'll be rooting for them to get back to winning games and playoff rounds and pretend these last 5yrs never happened
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12/16/2005  3:08 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

It's the same story in NY. As soon as we find out our star isn't good enough to be Wilt Chamberlain or Magic or Larry or Michael we turn on them and make them out to be the worst players in the league. Worse than guys that aren't even starting. We swear we are better off without them. It's sad. Marbury has brought some of it on himself but not as much as he gets. And I really felt bad for Ewing and Houston because those guys were class all the way and deserved far better from us.

Not everyone can be Michael Jordan. But just wait 3 years from now the fans will turn on Channing when his weaknesses start to show. It's just a cycle and is one of the reasons(amongst many) as to why this team has gone a million years without a title. Hopefully fans will realize it.

Ewing was never as good as those guys but he certainly was good enough to be my favorite all-time player and good enough to take us to the playoffs 11 straight yrs. Something we haven't even sniffed with Marbury as our franchise player/leader
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12/16/2005  3:20 PM
My point is why is that the player's fault. Why is it Marb's fault that he isn't as good as Ewing. There are only about 50 players in the history of the game that are as good as Ewing. But my question is why do we have to hate these guys because they come up short? Why can't we appreciate them for what they are, while we look for someone better?
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12/16/2005  3:23 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

My point is why is that the player's fault. Why is it Marb's fault that he isn't as good as Ewing. There are only about 50 players in the history of the game that are as good as Ewing. But my question is why do we have to hate these guys because they come up short? Why can't we appreciate them for what they are, while we look for someone better?


because when you are paying a PG $20mm per year, putting you in cap hell, you expect him to get the most out of guys like Curry, Frye, Crawford, Q and at least sniff the playoffs.

There are guys making $6-11mm who are far better than Marbury in every aspect of the game and aren't considered top 50 all-time

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 3:25 PM]
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12/16/2005  3:25 PM
Posted by tomverve:

It looks to me like one camp constantly harps on it over and over, while the other only voices their opinions in response to that constant harping. Some folks are just over the edge obsessed with this whole thing. It's so very, very old at this point. What in the world will those guys talk about if/when Marbury is traded? Probably they'll spend all of their time talking about that one time when Marbury was traded and how glad they are he's gone. I don't see how anyone involved can not be sick of it by now.

this is true...and i've been guilty of it from time to time...but seriously tom, we're losing, we stink, what else are we gonna talk about? everyone, at the end of the day, knows it's a process and knows we need patience (at least i hope they do) but while actually phsyically watching them perform, we all need an outlet and that's what we do here. and right now, with our team in dire straights, it starts with the guy that was brought here to get us out of it so he's an EASY target. but it's not like he's an innocent victim here either. but outside of that, what else can we talk about? how curry is soft? big game is a scrub? frye is a beacon of light? and nate is a crackhead? we seem to do alot of that also.

if it was all "let's see what happens" or whatever, there'd be like 5 posts a day here. and damn it...i'm trying to get to 10,000!!!!
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12/16/2005  3:31 PM
Posted by tomverve:

It looks to me like one camp constantly harps on it over and over, while the other only voices their opinions in response to that constant harping. Some folks are just over the edge obsessed with this whole thing. It's so very, very old at this point. What in the world will those guys talk about if/when Marbury is traded? Probably they'll spend all of their time talking about that one time when Marbury was traded and how glad they are he's gone. I don't see how anyone involved can not be sick of it by now.

"I've always believed if you have to tell them 1,000 times, you tell them," Brown said. "There are some kids, you tell them once and they get it. Others, you got to tell 1,000 times and they still might not get it.

"Right now, I feel we have to keep telling them over and over and over again. It gets frustrating."
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12/16/2005  3:33 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

My point is why is that the player's fault. Why is it Marb's fault that he isn't as good as Ewing. There are only about 50 players in the history of the game that are as good as Ewing. But my question is why do we have to hate these guys because they come up short? Why can't we appreciate them for what they are, while we look for someone better?


there's hate and there's observations. people saying marbury sucks...well that's just hate. people saying marbs doesn't fit...that's an observation. marbs may be one of the top 5 talents we've EVER had in this organization. and i think everyone should appreciate that BUT there's more to it. i think media has alot to do with it as well as the position he plays and his demeanor ON THE COURT. i think everyone looks for him to lead us...when that's clearly one of his short comings. he's very standoffish, like pat, but it could be overlooked by pat b/c he plays a position where someone has to get the ball to him AND he's won. steph has to give up the ball so he's more in control of the game AND we're losing. so he gets rided, sometimes too much, but the great mental strength he has to block out all the criticisms is shunned by the great pride he has in not changing his game.


[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-16-2005 3:35 PM]
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12/16/2005  3:37 PM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by tomverve:

It looks to me like one camp constantly harps on it over and over, while the other only voices their opinions in response to that constant harping. Some folks are just over the edge obsessed with this whole thing. It's so very, very old at this point. What in the world will those guys talk about if/when Marbury is traded? Probably they'll spend all of their time talking about that one time when Marbury was traded and how glad they are he's gone. I don't see how anyone involved can not be sick of it by now.

"I've always believed if you have to tell them 1,000 times, you tell them," Brown said. "There are some kids, you tell them once and they get it. Others, you got to tell 1,000 times and they still might not get it.

"Right now, I feel we have to keep telling them over and over and over again. It gets frustrating."


I know what you mean but you should've been here last year. At least this year most are coming to the realization that Marbury is not the answer but more like the problem. Like the fact he makes $20mm putting us in cap hell for one

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 3:37 PM]
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12/16/2005  3:40 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:



I know what you mean but you should've been here last year. At least this year most are coming to the realization that Marbury is not the answer but more like the problem. Like the fact he makes $20mm putting us in cap hell for one

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 3:37 PM]

Listen, I know Marbury isn't the answer but I don't understand how he alone puts the Knicks the cap hell. There are a million bad contracts on this team and just becuase Marbury's is the biggest doesn't mean its all his fault. It's funny, before it was Allan Houston, now that he's retired no one says a damn thing about his contract, yet it's still on the books. Everyone will find someone to blame when things aren't going well and now its Marbury puts the Knicks in cap hell. How about Crawford? How about JJ? All these guys have bloated contracts.

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12/16/2005  3:41 PM
Until Isiah trades his failing pet project, Steph will always be news and always be talked about.
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12/16/2005  3:48 PM
Again Marbs was brought here to team with Allan Houston. shouldn't be that hard to understand. I don't have any problem with guys getting on Marbs for being a headcase or moping. But to say we'd be better off without him and bringing in some back-up even though we are still over the cap? Just dumb.

The media destroys these guys and then the fans follow suit. And then we wonder why they are aloof. Are they really aloof or are we just cruel? I will never forget when the Olympic guys came back and they all said that Ewing was the funniest guy on the team. The media just reported he was an arse. The media does not equal reality. I talked to Pat and Marbs in public situations and both of them were nice as hell. ARe they aloof or are we just cruel?
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12/16/2005  3:49 PM
Did anyone realize that Marbury's jersey is the 4th highest seller only behind Wade, AI, and Lebron? It will probably be the top seller on Ebay in a month: "Used Marbury Jersey. Buy it Now: $1.99"
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12/16/2005  3:51 PM
Posted by Knight:

Did anyone realize that Marbury's jersey is the 4th highest seller only behind Wade, AI, and Lebron?

Why do you think Dolan doesn't care when this team doesn't make the playoffs. This is something I've been saying for so long. Marbury sells merchandise and he sells tickets, which in turn make Mr. Dolan a very happy man. Playoffs are icing on the cake for him but at the same time he makes his money either way, thats why Marbury is on this team, besides the fact that he is a good player.

Dolans been in charge for 8 years and never once have you heard an absolute peep from him about this team needs to start winning now and they have to start doing things the right way. The Knicks remain the 2nd most valuable franchise in the NBA next to the Lakers to this day which makes Dolan a very happy man.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-16-2005 3:52 PM]
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12/16/2005  3:55 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:



I know what you mean but you should've been here last year. At least this year most are coming to the realization that Marbury is not the answer but more like the problem. Like the fact he makes $20mm putting us in cap hell for one

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 3:37 PM]


Listen, I know Marbury isn't the answer but I don't understand how he alone puts the Knicks the cap hell. There are a million bad contracts on this team and just becuase Marbury's is the biggest doesn't mean its all his fault. It's funny, before it was Allan Houston, now that he's retired no one says a damn thing about his contract, yet it's still on the books. Everyone will find someone to blame when things aren't going well and now its Marbury puts the Knicks in cap hell. How about Crawford? How about JJ? All these guys have bloated contracts.

H20, Taylor, Rose, penny & AD's contract expires after 2007. 1yr from now. Rose expires after 2008. Marbury's $20-22mm(the biggest by far) expires after 2009. 3 whole years from now. thats the problem




[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 4:01 PM]
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12/16/2005  3:56 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Knight:

Did anyone realize that Marbury's jersey is the 4th highest seller only behind Wade, AI, and Lebron?

Why do you think Dolan doesn't care when this team doesn't make the playoffs. This is something I've been saying for so long. Marbury sells merchandise and he sells tickets, which in turn make Mr. Dolan a very happy man. Playoffs are icing on the cake for him but at the same time he makes his money either way, thats why Marbury is on this team, besides the fact that he is a good player.

Dolans been in charge for 8 years and never once have you heard an absolute peep from him about this team needs to start winning now and they have to start doing things the right way. The Knicks remain the 2nd most valuable franchise in the NBA next to the Lakers to this day which makes Dolan a very happy man.

I think Dolan is very aware of Marbury's cash value, that is why it is important for the fans to express their disappointment with #3.
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12/16/2005  3:57 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:



H20, Taylor, Rose, penny & AD's contract expires after 2007. 1yr from now. Rose expires after 2008. Marbury's $20-22mm(the biggest by far) expires after 2009. 3 whole years from now. thats the problem

It's a problem now but when he was acquired it wasn't a problem. When he was acquired everyone jumped for joy, including you, I remember it. No one was talking about his contract then and besides he was brought in to team with Houston. I know Marbury is a problem but when you make him out to be the sole problem its not right.

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12/16/2005  4:00 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Again Marbs was brought here to team with Allan Houston. shouldn't be that hard to understand. I don't have any problem with guys getting on Marbs for being a headcase or moping. But to say we'd be better off without him and bringing in some back-up even though we are still over the cap? Just dumb.

The media destroys these guys and then the fans follow suit. And then we wonder why they are aloof. Are they really aloof or are we just cruel? I will never forget when the Olympic guys came back and they all said that Ewing was the funniest guy on the team. The media just reported he was an arse. The media does not equal reality. I talked to Pat and Marbs in public situations and both of them were nice as hell. ARe they aloof or are we just cruel?


I never read what the media has to say. Most of us here don't because we don't need to. We watch the games with our one eyes. Wwe know Marbury's limitations and we know facts like he will be making over $22mm 3yrs from now. Why would I we got to the media for their opinionz?
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12/16/2005  4:00 PM
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It's a problem now but when he was acquired it wasn't a problem. When he was acquired everyone jumped for joy, including you, I remember it. No one was talking about his contract then and besides he was brought in to team with Houston. I know Marbury is a problem but when you make him out to be the sole problem its not right.

I think all Knicks fans jumped for joy...except for maybe isles who I think dismembered his Isiah Thomas Starting Lineup figurine.
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12/16/2005  4:01 PM
I think fans honestly feel that if they yell at a player, or boo a player long enough that will magically transform them into a franchise superstar.
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12/16/2005  4:05 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:



H20, Taylor, Rose, penny & AD's contract expires after 2007. 1yr from now. Rose expires after 2008. Marbury's $20-22mm(the biggest by far) expires after 2009. 3 whole years from now. thats the problem

It's a problem now but when he was acquired it wasn't a problem. When he was acquired everyone jumped for joy, including you, I remember it. No one was talking about his contract then and besides he was brought in to team with Houston. I know Marbury is a problem but when you make him out to be the sole problem its not right.

I did like the move then. problably because I had not seen enough of Marbury. Now that I have I think its best for the Knicks to trade him. I never said he was the sole reason. He's problably the biggest reason but I have blamed Isiah and I have even blamed Larry Brown for certain things & Eddy Curry but the 3yrs where Marbury has been a Knick we've only gotten worse

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-16-2005 4:06 PM]
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