Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by EwingsGlass:

No. Trade Marbury instead. He doesn't fit with the game plan. Get brown his guys. Then see what happens. Get a PG who can create plays. Then let's talk about Brown.

This is pretty dumb too.

Get Larry his players then we'll see? That is bull****. The coach must win with who he has. Larry is throwing games to force trades. What kind of coach makes comments to the media about there being alot of movement on Dec 15th? That right there proves that Larry is tanking on purpose to get his way.

I'm so pissed that Larry would do this. I wish Isiah never got him. This team is not this bad.

I am sorry you disagree, but reasonable people can differ. There are two schools of thought, of course as you say, some coaches must make do with what they have. Other coaches get the players that fit their game plan. Take PhilJax for instance. His triangle offense requires players in a certain mold. Marbury does not fit that mold. He can create his own shot. He can get his numbers. But he does not make the players around him better. If the Knicks can't win with a real point guard (who does not have to be an allstar), then I will concede I am wrong. Until then...

[Edited by - ewingsglass on 12-14-2005 10:42 PM]

Thing with Phil Jackson......his team sucks too but the guy came out of pre-season with a starting line-up and a rotation. He hasn't broke from that. He even starts Smush Parker a guy that has been in the NBA trash bin since he went pro.

Phil plays what he has and tries to make do and win games. Larry is not doing that.

No team in the league is still rotating their starting line-ups. Even Toronto has a steady rotation of guys.

All you did with your comments was prove that Larry Brown needs to be fired.

Fire Larry Brown.

Prove your point? The Lakers rotation is defined by the talent that they had. Kobe and Odom were set at the 2-3. They went out and drafted/traded for two centers that at least fit Jax's mold for the pivot of his triangle, regardless of how they are currently used. The rest of the players on that team are non-issues with respect to the game model. But, both Odom and Kobe are better than any player on our roster. Charlie Ward is a better PG than Marbury cause he can make plays happen for the players around him. Marbs can't. And when the PG cannot do that, he does not fit LB's game plan. AND he is not a terrific 3 pt shooter, so his ability to play the 2 is suspect. He doesn's spread the floor, he collapses players around the paint, cause he has two moves-- layup left and layup right--layup right is the only one that works consistently. So, other teams would give the coach the players they need to win, LB is stuck with Marbs, who cannot carry a squad on his shoulders like a superstar and cannot thrive in a team environment. I love his character but hate his game. Even history supports my thesis. LB goes to teams and leaves them better off. Marbs comes to teams and they become better when he leaves. History is no indicator of future performance, but you cannot ignore the cold hard facts.

[Edited by - ewingsglass on 12-14-2005 11:21 PM]

[Edited by - ewingsglass on 12-14-2005 11:22 PM]

Larry is part of the problem, no question about that. But same goes to the players. And at this point its a fact that we have more chances at winning if we give Larry his players rather than gamble with the talent we have now. I say let Larry keep working on these players and make many deals to balance this roster...

If we fire Larry Brown - when will we ever find a coach we can keep? I mean, I could understand when people called for Chaney's head. Then there was Lenny... You see the pattern here? If we fire Brown, then we'll fire the next guy too. We'll do some more trades and wind up with too many guards, or we'll be too old. Then we'll find a new GM and start the cycle all over again.

At some point, the Knicks have to commit to something. I think they should commit to this coach and this group of young guys. Let's try sticking with someting for, like, one year for a change.

He has taken the dribble away from Jamal and Steph, but he's trying to make them better players. He's teaching them a lesson about making their teammates better. I don't know if they will learn it.

But this is not to say we would be winning with another coach. We have a bunch of talented talented guys who don't know a lot of fundamentals of defense. And the most important thing for a young team in the NBA to learn is how to play together, then how to win together. They will get there... eventually.

Posted by crzymdups:

He has taken the dribble away from Jamal and Steph, but he's trying to make them better players. He's teaching them a lesson about making their teammates better. I don't know if they will learn it.

But this is not to say we would be winning with another coach. We have a bunch of talented talented guys who don't know a lot of fundamentals of defense. And the most important thing for a young team in the NBA to learn is how to play together, then how to win together. They will get there... eventually.

How do you learn to play together when you play with a different group every game?

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by crzymdups:

He has taken the dribble away from Jamal and Steph, but he's trying to make them better players. He's teaching them a lesson about making their teammates better. I don't know if they will learn it.

But this is not to say we would be winning with another coach. We have a bunch of talented talented guys who don't know a lot of fundamentals of defense. And the most important thing for a young team in the NBA to learn is how to play together, then how to win together. They will get there... eventually.

How do you learn to play together when you play with a different group every game?

He JUST announced the set starting lineup YESTERDAY, man.

Patience Patience Patience. annnnnnnd Patience!

Posted by WOODMANnYk:

LArry is probably exposing his players as an indication and message to isaih saying the roster is weak and needs major changes..

Yes he is.....that's what I'm saying.

Therefore he should be fired. He is not trying to win with what he has. He knows he has power because of who he is. He knows he won't get fired.

Larry Brown is an *******.

Yeah man 21 games and you still don't know who to play? You don't know that Channing should be the starter after countless 20 point games off the bench with limited minutes?

Larry has a system and he has a certain way he likes to play but it's still basketball and you have to play the game with what you have.

There is no reason the Knicks are losing like this when the Knicks have a backcourt of Marbs, Q, Craw and Nate with a front court of Channing, Curry, Davis, Butler, Ariza and now Woods.......not to mention guys like Taylor, Lee and Jerome James just there. No way anybody can tell me this group of players are this bad.

If the Knicks played to their strengths they would be at least 13-8.

Fire Larry Brown.

I don't think the Knicks should fire Brown. However, is it even realistic to think that they would? Doesn't he have a five-year deal worth between $50 million and $60 million