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jaydh
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12/15/2005  12:34 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Killa4luv:

this is a better team than last year playing much worse.

the other players in the league got better. ours didn't. end of story.

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-15-2005 12:29 AM]

we did get better or your really really dumb.

prove it!

start with the letter A

Ariza has improved his (fill in the blank)

you claiming to know more about basketball than LB and isiah? they have both said ariza gets better everyday. you telling me you dont see any discipline in JC's shot selection? you see no improvement in butlers game from last season? i at least see steph trying to change his game, driving to the hoop when everyone else is stagnant; trying to pass more; not sure if its better, but i like steph. the rest of our guys are either new, or old vets who obviously arent going to get better at their age.

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12/15/2005  12:34 PM
The truth is we are just a flawed organization in every aspect of it:

Zeke: At first we have a GM that wants us to be younger and more athletic. Thats his claim, and he has backed it up with his trades and picks. The problem is that he makes moves thinking only about talent and athletism when there are other things to be considered from a basketball player like his character, work ethic, willingness to learn, effort, respect, pride, etc. He has brought in players that are talented but don't really form a basketball team. We have parts that don't transform into a team, but rather parts that individually can't get the job done. And how is "younger and more athletic" a basketball philosophy? You want us to be an uptempo team? A defensive minded grind-it-out team? He had no vision prior to Brown, and it shows now.

Brown: He deserves criticism for being crazy about playing the vets way too much time and for having his players confused with lineups and rotations. Also the offense still lacks a real plan. But he isn't really the main problem here. In fact, he could be the one that saves the organization because he may be the only one in it that really has a plan and a vision. He wants the Knicks to play basketball the right way. He wants them to make smart decisions. He wants them to be unselfish. He wants them to work their hardest on the defensive end because it is there where real teams win. Whats the problem? He has no players to make that work. The roster he was given is not even close to what Larry would want to make things work. He loves veterans and plays them, but the ones he has in NY are simply done. The rest od the players don't know how to play basketball the right way. The rookies lack experience along with many basics of basketball. The young veterans have created bad habits and also lack many fundamentals. There is really no leader here, and the one that could has yet to get over the feeling of being all alone. This is just not a Larry Brown team. He has the vision and the plan, but has no players to make it happen, therefore the constant changes and his frustration. Larry could act like every other coach out there and try to make this team win, but he is too stubborn into what he believes, and thats not bad because he has had success with his plan. This is just not a team where his plan can work. The players are just not there, and maybe they never will.

The players: They deserve many of the blame too, even though it isn't completely their fault either. The lack of enthusiasm and effort, especially at home, is something disturbing. No defense, sloppy offense, they don't take care of the ball, thats all on them. They need to focus on Brown's plan and try to make it work the best they can. But this should be a frustrating time for them too. It should be frustrating to have a coach trying to break your game apart to build it up again the way he would like it to. Some of these players just feel out of place with Brown, and since the losses keep mounting, they just lose fait on that. This is not a team. And it should be frustrating to read in the media how bad the coach thinks of you. Some players may be strong enough to stand all that. But many don't, and I think we have many of those players here. They forget this is their job, and they need to put an effort on it to make it work. Larry won't change, so it depends on them changing their attitude. Even if its hard to have a coach like Brown, the guarantee is that if you work hard you will become a better player. They should keep trying.

This isn't really someone's fault. Everyone has part of the blame. But it still can work out if the right decissions are made. Brown shouldn't be fired. Isiah neither if he can find ways to bring Larry the players he need. Now, like it or not, many players have to go...
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McK1
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12/15/2005  1:05 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by Killa4luv:

this is a better team than last year playing much worse.

the other players in the league got better. ours didn't. end of story.

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-15-2005 12:29 AM]

we did get better or your really really dumb.

prove it!

start with the letter A

Ariza has improved his (fill in the blank)

you claiming to know more about basketball than LB and isiah? they have both said ariza gets better everyday. you telling me you dont see any discipline in JC's shot selection? you see no improvement in butlers game from last season? i at least see steph trying to change his game, driving to the hoop when everyone else is stagnant; trying to pass more; not sure if its better, but i like steph. the rest of our guys are either new, or old vets who obviously arent going to get better at their age.

wtf are you talking about? I don't need Isiah's kool-aid to guide my observation

Ariza...came in the league without a jumper. Ariza still has no jumper.
Ariza came in the league with suspect ball-handling abilities. Guess what?. Ariza still lokoks down to dribble. Maybe Isuiah shoud send him to that BetterBasketball camp. He certainly doesn't seem to put much work in when left to his own vices.

Butler...not enough sample size

Crawford...he looks thinner. If he is not going to put on weight to be a more effective driver he could at least call up Mark Jackson to work with him on perfecting the tear drop.

Curry...you're telling me hew actually spends his own time in a film room studying defenses, on an exercise bike, or working on his left hand/a move to the left.

FFWD

Marbury...who do you think LB was referring to when he said we have no head out there. Guys have been in the league for years and still can't recognize when teams are trapping pressing or zoning.

Richardson...isn't going to beat anybody with those 1950 post moves...at least get up to the 1980's and learn the up and under. Also I noticed last night he decided to jump when he shot a jumper and he was accurate. Maybe its his back? he could also benefit from sometime at Better Basketball.



[Edited by - McK1 on 12-15-2005 1:05 PM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
simrud
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12/15/2005  1:09 PM
hahahaha

You guys are out of your mind.

The team has been awful the past 4 years, these playes have never won even a playoff series before, and its Brown's fault?

He won 22 games with the sixes his 1st year, and they had Iverson already at that point and thats more then we can say.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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12/15/2005  1:20 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

basketballjones: You are correct. Once again Knick fans call for someone's head. They only way we are winning a title is with some patience, stability and patience again. It's going to be a long hard road and fans need to be aware of that and stop having their moods decided game to game. The players on this team simply aren't good enough. That will change. Patience my friends.

and the sad thing is that we are calling for the head of a HOF coach, and excusing lifelong losers on the court..
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
Allanfan20
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12/15/2005  1:22 PM
These our Knick fans at their best and fickle just like how Camby said they were. Man, he was so right. With this team, we could fire brown and go through every single coach in the NBA and we'll call for his head after a couple of months. Then, when there's nobody left, who do we go after? Jim Calhoun? Bobby Knight? LOL! We aren't winning with the way the team is right now. We can only hope that they start getting their heads out of their arses. It's all on them, and it's all on Isiah. Sure, Larry makes mistakes, but our guys are sucking on defense lately, no matter who is in, and we still can't get in a flow. This isn't Larry's fault that Isiah has assembled a team of Idiots and reclamation projects.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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12/15/2005  1:37 PM
Man. Ship be sinkin. Gotta give Larry some time. I still say he has a method to his madness. He breaks you down so he can build you up the right way.
Detroit would have won 2 championships

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