Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by djsunyc:

in a perfect world, getting bibby would be predicated on getting artest.

crawford AND bibby can not start together nor will they. crawford is a point in lb's eyes, not a SG. if we get bibby, then crawford is the permanent backup PG.

i admit we downgrade talent-wise but do we downgrade PG-wise?

it would look like this: bibby, artest, SF TBD, frye, curry with craw, nate, qyntel, mo/skinner, butler/james

crawford's trade value right now is DOO DOO. you really can't get anything for him, that's why i never mention him in trades. he's only really valuable to us. nobody is taking that contract back.

Bibby has been just as horrible as Marbury this season. Not the same player that help take his team to conference finals a couple of years ago. I think without Bobby Jackson, Bibby has been exploited as being a little overrated.

I don't know if that's it at all.. Basketball is about confidence. It's clear he has lost confidence in the system in Sac-Town. If he came to NY that might be different. I doubt that just losing Bobby Jackson has exposed him as being overated. Add C-Webb to that and Doug Christie as well. If anything Peja's inconsistancy can be what's causing Sac-Town to play the way they are now. Let's face it, they are not the same team.. That team flourished because of ball movement. They made basketball look pretty.. (Pause- No Homo) Cuts to the basket, finding the open man and crisp passing.. Adleman has gone away from that, probably because Abdur-Rahim and Wells aren't adept passers. The way Sacramento used to play is how Larry wants us to play now! Mike Bibby was regarded as one of the better point guards at that time, playing in that system... I think he is better suited for NYK under LB than Steph at this point; Regardless of him not being better than Steph individually.

It also gives Steph the chance to do him.. score the ball and pass when he wants! But again Why would Sacramento consider a trade like this?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Killa4luv:

Hey guys, he missed practice with the flu, do you think it makes sense that he was not feeling well last night? Its the only thing that makes any sense. Even when he is playing poorly he attacks the rim and he didn't do it at all last night.

i don't think this has to do with last night killa. lb has been hinting at this all year long. just watching it, you can see steph playing with his nuts chopped off. something is off right now. i'm not hating on steph...i'm not, seriously. can't you see how difficult it is for him? you're a fan of his, are you happy with what we're doing with him? or more important, what we're doing TO him?

I don't think you're hating. You just see a man dying inside and you're trade idea is really an altruistic gesture, to ease his pain. gimmme a break.

Posted by Bippity10:

I'm with Allanfan. I love Bibby to death. But unless LB tells me(not the media or some guy on a website) that Steph is a cancer in the loccker room this trade is just a trade for trade sake. I'd rather trade Marbs for a SF or move him to SG and sign a veteran PG than to trade him for just another PG. Bibby ain't turning this ship around

the marbury for kidd was kind of like making a trade just for trade sake.

forget cancer in the lockerroom b/c i don't think he is, i'm talking about on the court. it's pretty brutal. we don't have anybody as talented as steph but man, he's not the brightest guy out there either...and that is a big no-no trying to run lb's offense, especially with all those young guys out there. and i hate comparing steph's adjustment period with chauncy's. billups was a career journey man. steph is a 10 year pg averaging 20&8.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by SlimPack:

brown should be fired, before marbury should get traded. all of this is his fault.

fire a career winning coach for a pg that's never won. intersting take slimpack...

I know it sounds nutty when you put it that way, it's just that why blame marbury for this years losses, when all he is doing is what brown is telling him to do? is marbury a bad fit for this team as you say? How could we even tell unless steph is allowed to play to his strengths witch so far brown hasnt allowed him to do. I think steph has the abilities to help this team, but it is up to brown to use them. so far all of our players are having terrible numbers this season, not just marbury, and I for one blame brown and his asinine rotations. Im not saying that larry brown SHOULD be fired, well not yet anyway, nor am I saying that marbury should be untouchable, but to say that marbury is in can't adjust to what larry wants to do and it would be better to trade doesnt make sense to me because from what I see larry's way of using steph is what has cuased his impact on this team to slide, not that steph cant do what larry asks, which from what ive seen is to just pass the ball to the bigs.





[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-13-2005 11:37 AM]

"Right now," Brown said, "we don't have anybody with a head that can get them (his inexperienced players) in spots (on the floor and) take the pressure off them. That's difficult."

Brown also went out of his way to compliment T.J. Ford, who finished with nine points and nine assists while getting his team into its offensive sets.

"It seemed like they were scripting plays," Brown said. "T.J. would call a play and they'd run it and get the shot they wanted. We'd come down ... we don't recognize change in defenses, time and score. That's just bad coaching."

Steph is the poit guard and coach on the floor.

if you can trade a brainless floor leader for one with a brain like NJ and Phoenix did, you are halfway there. Frye's scoring at the 4 brings you 4 or 5 steps more in the right direction. Add a center who will bang and muck the mountain top comes in clear view. Add a do-it-all 3 and we find glory!

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-13-2005 11:45 AM]

I agree 100%

Posted by Knicksfan:

Right now we don't really have a PG, and by that Im not saying Steph isn't one. What Im saying is that the PG Marbury was is no longer there thanks to Brown. We aren't talking about a 20/8 Marbury, but a 7/7 guy that has no impact on our play.

Either get a freaking point guars ASAP to see if Marbury can finally play SG at will or just trade him. I would love to see Marbury stay in NY and hopefully win a championship here, but it won't happen with him trying to play PG the way Larry is making him play it...

[Edited by - rvhoss on 12-13-2005 11:46 AM]

Posted by Knicksfan:

Right now we don't really have a PG, and by that Im not saying Steph isn't one. What Im saying is that the PG Marbury was is no longer there thanks to Brown. We aren't talking about a 20/8 Marbury, but a 7/7 guy that has no impact on our play.

Either get a freaking point guars ASAP to see if Marbury can finally play SG at will or just trade him. I would love to see Marbury stay in NY and hopefully win a championship here, but it won't happen with him trying to play PG the way Larry is making him play it...

My sentiments exactly.

Posted by Knicksfan:



so far he hasn't been able to use the pieces we have here to win. His job, other than teaching the players, is making the best with the roster he was given and winning games. But instead of that he has many players that he is using the wrong way and it shows on our record...

Brown = Belichek

Marbury = a half-way Bledsoe

NY needs a Bibby I mean Brady.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Not that LB is the wrong guy, but you've gotta think that we could have won more games with a different coach. But I think its a short term vs. long term thing. Losing is frustrating.

Good point. Short term everyone has reasons to want Larry fired because with another type of coach we would've won more games at this point. Long term, we should be able to see the difference, but the wait is tough. We will see the turnaround at some point, but right now is painful to watch this team. Isiah needs to trade for a starting pass-first PG soon if he has any hope of starting winning this season...