Posted by Pharzeone:


Sorry, I assumed you knew that Oden can't enter the draft in 2006. They don't get two #1 picks, they only have the option of not taking this year pick and waiting til next. So I ask you again, do you mean that the Knicks are going to be successful this season (I wouldn't expect the Bulls to take a non lottery pick) and be bad the next season? Please explain.

Yeah, I thought the Bulls have the option of taking either or, not both. And Greg Oden can't enter the NBA until 2007 so if the Bull had any smarts they'd take this years pick because next years pick is not goin too mean anything to the Knicks since it wont be near the lottery.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-09-2005 2:21 PM]

Posted by SlimPack:

the bulls get our pick at the end of this season no matter what, also they can swap picks with us next season, if the dont swap with us next season, then they can do it the season after. at this particular point theres no way we can get oden. so lets just hope he turns out to be a bust.

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-09-2005 2:29 PM]

are you absolutely positively sure??? because you just made my blood boil! I'm pretty sure its the other scenario

Basically the only way Chicago doesn't get our pick this year is if we finish in the top four this year AND San Antonio ends up being a lottery team. ...But then Utah gets our pick...so we don't have a pick either way.


[Edited by - Knight on 12-09-2005 2:41 PM]

hey I have a question, since the topic of ODen is boring anyway, does anyone have the link to the article that said that the knicks could have given the bulls david lee instead of all those picks?

[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-09-2005 2:50 PM]

Posted by SlimPack:

hey I have a question, since the topic of AD getting waived is boring anyway, does anyone have the link to the article that said that the knicks could have given the bulls david lee instead of all those picks?

I'd love to dissect that one! I remember it saying the Bulls want Lee include but the person who wrote the story only knows so much. For all we know it could've been Lee + all those picks

Posted by islesfan:

I didn't even realize that we're giving up 2 second rd picks as well. Including in the 2007 draft which we all consider to be a very deep draft.

Pure genius. Fire Isiah immediately.

I think we are going in the right direction and Isiah is responsible for that. Is everything perfect--obviously not, but I like the direction for the most part.

Am I upset that we gave up all those picks

my answer is this

A. IF it were just to keep david Lee out of the deal, they major -leagued fckd up--David Lee is worth 2second round picks which is the = pick 30.
B. It's upsetting that we seemed to big against ourselves--no one was willing to pay eddie except us--not even for free in FA--Mike Sweetney and a draft pick restricted to 5[thats where eddie was picked] seems like fair compeantion--i think we drastically over-compensated becuse no one else was ponying up, but what can be done--its something that could really come back to haunt the team and its fans--I think prudent management is to atleast keep some form of protection if it is deemed reasonable.--this becomes a mute point if we can beome good ASAP.


C.Were moving in the right direction, but you want that to ====Ws ASAP. If that means giving up guys like Trevor Nate Lee or Butler or a combination of such with ending contracts for a player who can improve the team and get rid of excess--than we cant have some kind of ignorant pride.


even if we brought in reasonable guys like Mo pete and Mike James--not stars, but guys who can play and defend--look at what type of stabilization the Grizzlies got from bring in some vets.

I think we could use some stability--put Frye into the SL and keep him there--maybe go get a coupel of vets for a reasonable price to stabilize the G and SF positions for 2 years or so. I dont need the big score here--I think solid is what we need.

I hate when people say that Curry would be the first pick if he were drafted today. Based on what hypothetical? That nobody else currently in the NBA came out too? You mean if Curry could take his 4 years of NBA experience and be in a draft solely with collegiate players? I'd still take Rudy Gay ahead of Curry.

What if you took all NBA players with 4 years or less of NBA experience, would Curry still be first? Not even close.

So please stop making up ridiculous hypotheticals just to make this trade look better than it is.

Posted by islesfan:

I hate when people say that Curry would be the first pick if he were drafted today. Based on what hypothetical? That nobody else currently in the NBA came out too? You mean if Curry could take his 4 years of NBA experience and be in a draft solely with collegiate players? I'd still take Rudy Gay ahead of Curry.

What if you took all NBA players with 4 years or less of NBA experience, would Curry still be first? Not even close.

So please stop making up ridiculous hypotheticals just to make this trade look better than it is.

The Knicks got a starting center for the next 10 years for Sweetney, a lottery pick in a weak draft and two 2nd rounders. I'm not saying the Knicks hosed the Bulls but I think thats a pretty good trade for a 23 year old center that will be a fixture in the Knicks lineup for the next 10 years.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 12-09-2005 3:35 PM]

Posted by Knight:

Posted by islesfan:

I hate when people say that Curry would be the first pick if he were drafted today. Based on what hypothetical? That nobody else currently in the NBA came out too? You mean if Curry could take his 4 years of NBA experience and be in a draft solely with collegiate players? I'd still take Rudy Gay ahead of Curry.

What if you took all NBA players with 4 years or less of NBA experience, would Curry still be first? Not even close.

So please stop making up ridiculous hypotheticals just to make this trade look better than it is.

I don't know what thought experiment you are doing by combining all the players with 4 or less years of experience, that has nothing to do with it. The point is that in any one given draft, Curry would be a lottery pick, including next year's. It's a practical point about not having a pick in next years draft--we still got a lottery type talent in return.

I'm not in the camp of people who insist on equating any player Isiah gets into the first overall pick, a lottery pick or a 1st round pick, in some sort of insane rationalization.