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12/8/2005  10:57 AM
Frye is not being left open like he once was, the secret is out. But he should be in the low blocks more. And in the game more.
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12/8/2005  11:00 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Frye is not being left open like he once was, the secret is out. But he should be in the low blocks more. And in the game more.


this is all on lb. if he wants to post up, he would call a play for it. frye, in our BS offensive sets, sets the high screen and waits for it. if we're going to dump the ball down to anybody, wouldn't you rather dump it down to frye instead of curry and just let curry clean up the boards and do the dirty work?

lb...GET FRYE THE DAMN BALL. i don't care if he misses, i'd rather him shoot it than anybody else on the team right now.
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12/8/2005  11:05 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

lets see here, he shot 3-4 from the field(75%), and had 6 points and 6 rebounds in 17 minutes. please explain to me how that is an indication that defenses are adjusting to frye.

By limiting his opportunities. You can't score if you can't shoot. The Clippers did a great job sticking with Frye on the perimeter and not allowing him to get open looks, and Frye doesn't force up shots when he doesn't have an open look. That's why his FGA were low last night. In fact, I know at least two of his four FGA were in the paint, on a dunk and a putback. He simply was not getting open looks for his bread and butter midrange J game because they were making it a priority to take that away from him. The D adjusted to Frye and now the Knicks have to make some moves to adjust back.

Frye averages 11.1 FGA per 26.5 mpg so far this season. If you adjust that to 17 minutes played (his court time last night), you predict he should have taken 7 FGA last night, not 4. So the Clips D limited him to almost half his normal rate of shot attempts.
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12/8/2005  11:07 AM
this is all on lb. if he wants to post up, he would call a play for it. frye, in our BS offensive sets, sets the high screen and waits for it. if we're going to dump the ball down to anybody, wouldn't you rather dump it down to frye instead of curry and just let curry clean up the boards and do the dirty work?

lb...GET FRYE THE DAMN BALL. i don't care if he misses, i'd rather him shoot it than anybody else on the team right now.


We tried to post up Frye a few times last night in the second half, but as with Curry, the Clippers did a good job of ball denial on the blocks, crowding the post and blocking off passing lanes. Our guards should have been able to capitalize, but both Marbs and Craw were ice cold last night. It happens.

[Edited by - tomverve on 12-08-2005 11:09 AM]
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12/8/2005  11:15 AM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by SlimPack:

lets see here, he shot 3-4 from the field(75%), and had 6 points and 6 rebounds in 17 minutes. please explain to me how that is an indication that defenses are adjusting to frye.

By limiting his opportunities. You can't score if you can't shoot. The Clippers did a great job sticking with Frye on the perimeter and not allowing him to get open looks, and Frye doesn't force up shots when he doesn't have an open look. That's why his FGA were low last night. In fact, I know at least two of his four FGA were in the paint, on a dunk and a putback. He simply was not getting open looks for his bread and butter midrange J game because they were making it a priority to take that away from him. The D adjusted to Frye and now the Knicks have to make some moves to adjust back.

Frye averages 11.1 FGA per 26.5 mpg so far this season. If you adjust that to 17 minutes played (his court time last night), you predict he should have taken 7 FGA last night, not 4. So the Clips D limited him to almost half his normal rate of shot attempts.

oh yeah, that makes sense, in fact the clipper's defense adjusted to us in a number of ways that lead to that lose. but I still have two questions. If we could have spaced the floor with 3pt shooters, could we have countered their adjustment? also If we had a PG on our team, would that have helped?
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12/8/2005  11:16 AM
Posted by tomverve:
this is all on lb. if he wants to post up, he would call a play for it. frye, in our BS offensive sets, sets the high screen and waits for it. if we're going to dump the ball down to anybody, wouldn't you rather dump it down to frye instead of curry and just let curry clean up the boards and do the dirty work?

lb...GET FRYE THE DAMN BALL. i don't care if he misses, i'd rather him shoot it than anybody else on the team right now.
We tried to post up Frye a few times last night in the second half, but as with Curry, the Clippers did a good job of ball denial on the blocks, crowding the post and blocking off passing lanes. Our guards should have been able to capitalize, but both Marbs and Craw were ice cold last night. It happens.

[Edited by - tomverve on 12-08-2005 11:09 AM]
you know something tomverve, your a very intelligent poster, you should go over to realgm and impart some of that knowledge to immature ignorant posters who are starting a trade marbury movement in responce to last nights game


[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-08-2005 11:17 AM]
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12/8/2005  11:19 AM
Tom: I saw a few occasions where frye was in the post and marbs ignored him, he could get his shots, just as when he sealed his man, got a pass from nate and threw down a slam. The clipps didn't do much to limit frye, the knicks were more effective at that themselves...
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12/8/2005  11:22 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

you know something tomverve, your a very intelligent poster, you should go over to realgm and impart some of that knowledge to immature ignorant posters who are starting a trade marbury movement in responce to last nights game


[Edited by - SlimPack on 12-08-2005 11:17 AM]
Agreed. Add Rich to that list.
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12/8/2005  11:24 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:


Agreed. Add Rich to that list.

I'll second that motion. People really need to get a grip and chill out.
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12/8/2005  11:36 AM
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12/8/2005  11:40 AM
Posted by tomverve:
this is all on lb. if he wants to post up, he would call a play for it. frye, in our BS offensive sets, sets the high screen and waits for it. if we're going to dump the ball down to anybody, wouldn't you rather dump it down to frye instead of curry and just let curry clean up the boards and do the dirty work?

lb...GET FRYE THE DAMN BALL. i don't care if he misses, i'd rather him shoot it than anybody else on the team right now.


We tried to post up Frye a few times last night in the second half, but as with Curry, the Clippers did a good job of ball denial on the blocks, crowding the post and blocking off passing lanes. Our guards should have been able to capitalize, but both Marbs and Craw were ice cold last night. It happens.

[Edited by - tomverve on 12-08-2005 11:09 AM]



we don't have anyone who is a reliable outside shooter that can punish teams for playing zone and packing it in.
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12/8/2005  11:41 AM
I was confused about why Frye wasn't in there late in the game. Curry was being doubled and Frye could have reaped the benefits if he was in there. I mean its common sense, if someone is being doubled you want to get a shooter in there. The offense would have been so much more effective. However, I also put a major part of the blame on Crawford and Marbury for just taking shots instead of getting Curry and Frye involved when they were in there, early in the 4th quarter.
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12/8/2005  11:42 AM
Posted by tkf:

Tom: I saw a few occasions where frye was in the post and marbs ignored him, he could get his shots, just as when he sealed his man, got a pass from nate and threw down a slam. The clipps didn't do much to limit frye, the knicks were more effective at that themselves...

That pass from Nate was a sensational play, though. It was kind of a backdoor post feed from the opposite side of the key, threading the needle between two perimeter defenders. Very unusual and very difficult. I don't recall seeing Marbury ignoring Frye on the block, but I do recall Marbury looking to feed Frye on the block for 3 or 4 seconds before he gave up because of the ball denial and went for a different attack. Give LA credit, they played tough D on us, so we shouldn't have expected anything to come easy. Feeding the post in the second half last night was problematic across the board, no matter who was posting up and who was making the entry pass.
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12/8/2005  11:44 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Frye is not being left open like he once was, the secret is out. But he should be in the low blocks more. And in the game more.

Umm... Frye was open like 3 occassions last nite and Craw sidestep him to get his shot off. Marbury did the same. Nate found him once but they didn't even bother to look for Frye. Frye is capable of knocking down shots with a man in his face so I don't even see how that is even revelant, he is not a spot up shooter. Dalembert was hanging on him in that Philly game he knock down shots. That is a poor excuse. Doesn't explain why come he couldn't even get into the game in the 3rd quarter where the Knicks only scored 2 fgs.
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12/8/2005  12:44 PM
I agree, I think the guards impatients killed us.
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12/8/2005  2:57 PM
Why were Frye's minutes limited? Even if he's not putting up shots, he's the one reliable shooter on the team that spreads the defense and helps get other guys open. Maybe LB felt Curry's low post play was enough to carry them to victory.

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12/8/2005  3:14 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Why were Frye's minutes limited? Even if he's not putting up shots, he's the one reliable shooter on the team that spreads the defense and helps get other guys open. Maybe LB felt Curry's low post play was enough to carry them to victory.

Correction- he is the ONLY reliable shooter on this team- everyone else shot is suspect.
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12/8/2005  3:16 PM
Craw is quite reliable now actually. He didn't play that great on O last night, but overall, he's been much better. But you're right, I think Channing is our best shooter.
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12/8/2005  4:01 PM
Also when mo taylor is in the game with frye , he seems to take touches away from frye, Taylor always comes to the ball side, to me he stalls the offense as much as anyone we have..
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12/8/2005  4:10 PM
What I am mostly tired of seeing from our guards is dribbling, trying to drive or create space only to find out that your defender actually can play "D" and oh yeah damn I have to try and get the ball to Frye, Oh turnover. That is like the new thing this season. It takes like 12 seconds off the clock. Notice that alot now. Craw commits to a move, gets stuck or worst yet rejected while in shooting form and look to pass off but passes it right to the defender.
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