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Qyntel: Good Dog or Bad Dog?


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Knight
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Should we sign this mangy mutt?
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fishmike
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12/5/2005  8:14 PM
what he was involved in is so offensive on so many levels.

Not only does he take part in allowed animals to be mauled and abused for sport or pleasure. It gets worse. These are the dogs that hop a fence, roam a neighborhood and see some 10 year old walking home from school. The kid tries to run and these dogs who have been starved, beaten, forced to kill for food and sat chained to a tree while guys throw fire crackers at them see the kid run. They chase him down and maul him.

Then people read this crap and start passing laws again pits and rotties and whatever else (Denver already has a no pit rule and they can put your dog down in 48 hours if your cited). All because scumbags like this train these dogs to be so ****ed up they attack anything that moves.

Yea.. its cruel and sick to the animal, but by far the VAST majority of dog attacks are by animals who have been neglected or abused.

Guess you could say its a sensitive subject for me. I have one of the nasty killers myself. I will admit there was one time she attacked another dog. Unfortunatly we were at the park and my daughter went to pet shepard mix and the dog growled and showed his teeth. Next thing we knew my dog went after him they had to be separated. The only other time was when she treed a black bear upstate NY when we were camping.

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misterearl
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12/5/2005  8:15 PM
Yes to Qyntel

How many second chances did Steve Howe get?
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12/5/2005  8:15 PM
Fish is that you and your dog in the picture? Haha jk, couldn't resist
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12/5/2005  8:21 PM
got a Cane Corso mastiff

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-05-2005 8:21 PM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
misterearl
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12/5/2005  10:21 PM
Knight - have you EVER walked in the shoes of a person who has has a parent murdered?

Mangy Mutt indeed.
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Knight
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12/5/2005  10:24 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Knight - have you EVER walked in the shoes of a person who has has a parent murdered?

Mangy Mutt indeed.

His dad was gone before he ever knew him. I guess everyone without father likes to fight dogs.
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12/5/2005  10:29 PM
>His dad was gone before he ever knew him

Knight - that's the exacvt type of callous response one would expect from a narrow-minded person who has the ADVANTAGE of a family life

Rock on dude

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12/5/2005  10:29 PM
[you know you are a smart ass...give the man a chance...i personally happen to know him and if you give him a chance you will discover that good people make mistakes]

Posted by Knight:
Posted by misterearl:

Knight - have you EVER walked in the shoes of a person who has has a parent murdered?

Mangy Mutt indeed.

His dad was gone before he ever knew him. I guess everyone without father likes to fight dogs.
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Knight
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12/5/2005  10:30 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>His dad was gone before he ever knew him

Knight - that's the exacvt type of callous response one would expect from a narrow-minded person who has the ADVANTAGE of a family life

Rock on dude

Don't forget to count YOUR blessings

Rock on. I am thankful for parents or else I would probably torture dogs for fun.
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12/5/2005  10:36 PM
Knight - can you REALLY claim such arrogance to predict what your life would be without parents?

That is, if you had a like at all.
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Knight
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12/5/2005  10:37 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Knight - can you REALLY claim such arrogance to predict what your life would be without parents?

That is, if you had a like at all.

Burnnnnnnnnn...cut it out you big bully!
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12/5/2005  10:40 PM
Give him a chance and lock this thread. stop it before it gets crazy.
Knight
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12/5/2005  10:41 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Give him a chance and lock this thread. stop it before it gets crazy.

This thread is pretty tame compared to the other on Qyntel...
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12/6/2005  12:11 AM
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12/6/2005  12:12 AM
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12/6/2005  12:38 AM
Posted by Knight:

I guess everyone without father likes to fight dogs.

I guess everyone who gets angry at their spouse beats them.

Come on, things are not that simple and you know it.

Look, what this kid did was f'ed up. But people do make mistakes, sometimes without fully realizing what they're doing. Bottom line-- if he has grown at all from his ordeals, has some semblence of normal psychology, and can fit into the locker room, go for it. If he is terminally f'ed in the head, I doubt LB will stand for it and eventually he'll get cut. His history is not encouraging, but for a minimum risk move like this, it's worth a gamble.
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bobs3304
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12/6/2005  1:51 AM
Just the fact that we're bringing him on board kinda suggests you can give a psycopath a 2nd chance.

Has he even been given a proper psychological evaluation?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/6/2005  2:39 AM
You all crack me up. If Woods hit a few big hoops, you'll all be suckin on him like you all do Sprewell. Fighting dogs is much worse than trying to kill your coach. What are you all a bunch of PETA pussies???
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12/6/2005  4:04 AM
I guess everyone who gets angry at their spouse beats them.

Come on, things are not that simple and you know it.

Look, what this kid did was f'ed up. But people do make mistakes, sometimes without fully realizing what they're doing. Bottom line-- if he has grown at all from his ordeals, has some semblence of normal psychology, and can fit into the locker room, go for it. If he is terminally f'ed in the head, I doubt LB will stand for it and eventually he'll get cut. His history is not encouraging, but for a minimum risk move like this, it's worth a gamble.

I have been reading some comparisons of other player's 'bad acts' like sprewell choking PJ, and Kidd hitting his wife.

There is no excuse for either act. However, the big difference is both of those men lost control and acted in anger. An adult who is attacked but not killed can leave or call the police, or get a gun, baseball bat, or a knife and defend themselves.

But the premeditated, ongoing cruelty to an animal is not a 'mistake'. It shows an amorality and callousness that doesn't need us to ask why he did it. It is akin to abusing a child. A child cannot defend him or herself, neither can an animal. Anyone who abuses children or animals is cruel and despicable. This is poison and even the Blazers understand that.

Then people read this crap and start passing laws again pits and rotties and whatever else (Denver already has a no pit rule and they can put your dog down in 48 hours if your cited). All because scumbags like this train these dogs to be so ****ed up they attack anything that moves.

Fishmike, I am no dog expert but I love animals. While pitbulls are beautiful animals on some levels, it is my feeling that they cannot be owned safely around other people and animals. I cannot see the rationale for owning one, and having one with children/elderly in the house or in the neighborhood is simply reckless. It only takes one incident. Just look in the news, just the other day in Brooklyn a pit bull who everybody loved snapped and nearly bit off an old woman's face who simply walked onto the front lawn. I would not want my child or grandmother anywhere near an unchained/uncaged pit bull.

The fact of the matter is, even if trained properly, pit bulls can snap. Can this happen to any dog? Yes, but Pits are much more prone to snapping than even other 'fighting' dogs and when it happens they can easily kill a person or animal. It's like having a gun that can fire itself. In addition the average joe is not a dog trainer. I know someone who had a dingo/husky mix and it attacked his son, once again, some animals are too dangerous to own.

As far as your Rot, they are guard dogs. Their instinct is to protect their family as opposed to pits which have been known to turn on even their own family members when control is lost. However, anyone who has a Rotweiller, a Doberman, or even an English Bulldog needs to understand that these animals have a very serious capacity for violence and should train them well and always make sure they are under control, because they can be very dangerous.

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[Edited by - oohah on 12-06-2005 04:57 AM]
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fishmike
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12/6/2005  7:49 AM
I have been reading some comparisons of other player's 'bad acts' like sprewell choking PJ, and Kidd hitting his wife.

There is no excuse for either act. However, the big difference is both of those men lost control and acted in anger. An adult who is attacked but not killed can leave or call the police, or get a gun, baseball bat, or a knife and defend themselves.

But the premeditated, ongoing cruelty to an animal is not a 'mistake'. It shows an amorality and callousness that doesn't need us to ask why he did it. It is akin to abusing a child. A child cannot defend him or herself, neither can an animal. Anyone who abuses children or animals is cruel and despicable. This is poison and even the Blazers understand that.
well said. Really hit the nail on the head. None can be justified but the Spree/Kidd incidents can at least be understood. As for the pitbull arguement having been around a lot they worst thing I can say is the males clearly have a dog aggressive tendancy. As for the story about the one in Brooklyn I dont know what to say. The problem with defending a breed of dog is your really defending the owners of that breed of dog and I cant really do that. Chances are if you profile pit owners you will come away with a general group of people that probably shouldnt be owning dogs, much less ones as strong willed and powerfull as a pit.
Your right about the Rot being a guard dog. People are usually impressed by mine. She's playfull but doesnt jump. She doesnt bark She doesnt beg. She does what she's told. She obeys off the lease, and when people think they might want to get one I almost always tell them NO. Like you said, I just dont think most understand the work and responsibility that owning a dog with such an instinct to protect entails. The same goes for German Shepards, Mastiff breeds (bullmastif, bordeux, neopoliton, great dane), Rhodesians, Dobermans, and even Boxers... I'm sure there are others that dont come to mind.
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Qyntel: Good Dog or Bad Dog?

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