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EnySpree
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11/30/2005  2:49 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Dang. The kid is in his 2nd year. Give him a break.

nope.

Right now he is Anthony Bonner. Remember that bum? Geez that guy couldn't do anything but rebound and play defense......he wasn't even that good at that!

There is no excuse for a NBA swingman not being able to put the ball on the floor and/or finish. Ariza can't score unless he has a put back dunk, fast break dunk, free throw, or wide open jumpshots.

Anthony Bonner I tell ya!
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11/30/2005  2:56 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

He is a young pup that needs seasoning. He might be in a wrong system right now in that we don't run much. If you put him alongside Nash or Kidd he would be setting the NBA on fire. He is a helter-skelter type player right now in that his success comes from chaos.

Knicks run a motion offense.

There has been countless times when he would drive and somehow the ball ends up slamming high against the backboard. He is like a retard in that respect. If they would pay me i could get Ariza on the right track by the All-star break.
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11/30/2005  2:58 PM
Man. I liked Bonner! Bonner, Mase, Oak...those cats were nasty. I think we are just a little to hard on Reezy. I want to give him more time than just 1.5 years in his pro life.

This is my little dig at Marbury. Stephon has ALL the talent in the world, but he lacks one trait. He needs to make players around him better. Ariza is young and needs guidance. He has desire and enough potential. If you feed him all the time this would not be a problem.

How many alley-oops has Marbury thrown? He yo-yos the ball to death and the offense becomes stagnant. The PG has to see what his players strengths are and maximize. The PG has to see what his players weaknesses are and hide it. Magic was awesome at this. Stockton, Isiah. Masters of their craft. Man, Rodman could only rebound and defend yet he is considered a superstar. Isiah helped that fool back in the Bad Boy days.
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11/30/2005  3:05 PM
Thing is Ariza gets the ball enough....it's what he does when he gets it.

The way Marbs, Craw and the Knicks play they need a true 3 man that can score the ball.

I keep saying I'm rooting for Q. Q is hurt. Maggette would be perfect in NY. Josh Howard would be great. Knicks don't need a three point specialist at the 3....they need a guy that can do it all especially score in between.
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11/30/2005  3:12 PM
How many alley-oops has Marbury thrown?

Does Marbury even throw alley hoops? Sometimes I go to sleep with dreams of TJ Ford running our team. Whew that would be a lot of fun to watch. (Sorry guys didn't mean to change the subject)
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11/30/2005  3:14 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Thing is Ariza gets the ball enough....it's what he does when he gets it.

The way Marbs, Craw and the Knicks play they need a true 3 man that can score the ball.

I keep saying I'm rooting for Q. Q is hurt. Maggette would be perfect in NY. Josh Howard would be great. Knicks don't need a three point specialist at the 3....they need a guy that can do it all especially score in between.


I agree with your sentiment. Ariza is not a do-it-all kind of player right now at the 3. He needs help and that help has to come from his PG. He will not dazzle you with one-on-one play. He will not consistently hit the open 3. BUT.... Watch him play without the ball... He cuts to the basket a lot and never sees the ball. Hit the damn man for an easy layup will you! Watch him go back door on his man, raise his hand and never get the ball. If Marbury is not an LB type player then Reezy is not a Starbury type player. Marbury needs players that will set picks for him and spot up for the easy spot-up shot he will create them after he penetrates.
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11/30/2005  3:17 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by fishmike:

I think he should stay up here. He should be able to get 15-18 minutes off the bench against the other team's 2nd unit and be effective on the boards and making hustle plays.

Maybe he can evolve into a JAmes Posey type, which would be GREAT IMO

I don't wanna see Ariza spotting up outside. Ariza's game is attacking the rim. Posey is a nice player but Ariza should be able to surpass him. If Ariza had Posey's handle and finishing ability Ariza would be a star.

Ariza just needs to live in the gym and work on his offense. No jumpshots......just stand in the paint and just practice scoring around the basket. He can't finish nor can he create for himself off the dribble. I think the jumpshot will come as time goes on but the ball handling and finishing ability needs to be constantly drilled to this tard.

he dribbles like a kid in 4th grade. Its a disgrace really. everything you said is on the money.
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11/30/2005  3:22 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by fishmike:

I think he should stay up here. He should be able to get 15-18 minutes off the bench against the other team's 2nd unit and be effective on the boards and making hustle plays.

Maybe he can evolve into a JAmes Posey type, which would be GREAT IMO

I don't wanna see Ariza spotting up outside. Ariza's game is attacking the rim. Posey is a nice player but Ariza should be able to surpass him. If Ariza had Posey's handle and finishing ability Ariza would be a star.

Ariza just needs to live in the gym and work on his offense. No jumpshots......just stand in the paint and just practice scoring around the basket. He can't finish nor can he create for himself off the dribble. I think the jumpshot will come as time goes on but the ball handling and finishing ability needs to be constantly drilled to this tard.

he dribbles like a kid in 4th grade. Its a disgrace really. everything you said is on the money.


That's low baby! I have a boy in 4th grade and he handles the rock left and right and always has his head up! Don't stereotype man.

Anywho... Latrell Sprewell did the same thing his whole NBA career. Dribbled head down till he got to the basket. He had a pretty good career.
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11/30/2005  3:35 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by fishmike:

I think he should stay up here. He should be able to get 15-18 minutes off the bench against the other team's 2nd unit and be effective on the boards and making hustle plays.

Maybe he can evolve into a JAmes Posey type, which would be GREAT IMO

I don't wanna see Ariza spotting up outside. Ariza's game is attacking the rim. Posey is a nice player but Ariza should be able to surpass him. If Ariza had Posey's handle and finishing ability Ariza would be a star.

Ariza just needs to live in the gym and work on his offense. No jumpshots......just stand in the paint and just practice scoring around the basket. He can't finish nor can he create for himself off the dribble. I think the jumpshot will come as time goes on but the ball handling and finishing ability needs to be constantly drilled to this tard.

he dribbles like a kid in 4th grade. Its a disgrace really. everything you said is on the money.


That's low baby! I have a boy in 4th grade and he handles the rock left and right and always has his head up! Don't stereotype man.

Anywho... Latrell Sprewell did the same thing his whole NBA career. Dribbled head down till he got to the basket. He had a pretty good career.

Ariza can't do the things with the ball that Latrell did. Latrell might have dribble with his head down and only had one hand but he was slick with that ball and could score all over the court. Ariza wish he could be Latrell Sprewell.....at least on the basketball court.

FYI......most 10 year olds can do more with the ball than Ariza. I got a kid in the 5th grade too and if he wasn't so short he probably would take me off the dribble easy. Lightning in a bottle I tell ya!
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11/30/2005  3:43 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by fishmike:

I think he should stay up here. He should be able to get 15-18 minutes off the bench against the other team's 2nd unit and be effective on the boards and making hustle plays.

Maybe he can evolve into a JAmes Posey type, which would be GREAT IMO

I don't wanna see Ariza spotting up outside. Ariza's game is attacking the rim. Posey is a nice player but Ariza should be able to surpass him. If Ariza had Posey's handle and finishing ability Ariza would be a star.

Ariza just needs to live in the gym and work on his offense. No jumpshots......just stand in the paint and just practice scoring around the basket. He can't finish nor can he create for himself off the dribble. I think the jumpshot will come as time goes on but the ball handling and finishing ability needs to be constantly drilled to this tard.

he dribbles like a kid in 4th grade. Its a disgrace really. everything you said is on the money.


That's low baby! I have a boy in 4th grade and he handles the rock left and right and always has his head up! Don't stereotype man.

Anywho... Latrell Sprewell did the same thing his whole NBA career. Dribbled head down till he got to the basket. He had a pretty good career.

Ariza can't do the things with the ball that Latrell did. Latrell might have dribble with his head down and only had one hand but he was slick with that ball and could score all over the court. Ariza wish he could be Latrell Sprewell.....at least on the basketball court.

FYI......most 10 year olds can do more with the ball than Ariza. I got a kid in the 5th grade too and if he wasn't so short he probably would take me off the dribble easy. Lightning in a bottle I tell ya!

Latrell also had Tim Hardaway at the beginning of his career that made him a better player. Spree was a one-dimensional player similar to Ariza when he came out of college. Hardaway made him play better. He also had Chris Mullin feeding him at every occasion.

Yes. Ariza is flawed, but he is young and just needs a little guidance and a player that will help him.
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11/30/2005  4:05 PM
he did nothing to improve during the offseason???

I remember Blazer fans saying that about Jermain Oneil. It will probably take a long time for a guy like Ariza to make it. Maybe he finds a good niche, maybe he's the next Anthony Bonner.

I like his hard work and fearlessness on the court. He's a good kid. He's not a MLE player... not even close, which is good for us. We can resign him cheap.. maybe LLE or 3 years and $4.5mm. Something like that. He's a good commodity so long as he stays cheap
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11/30/2005  4:22 PM
What are you guys talking about??? When Michael Jordan was his age he didn't have 2 years in the NBA yet. Hell he didn't even make his high school team while Ariza was already starting on his as a freshman. Obviously Ariza will be as good as Jordan when he reaches the age that Jordan was when he broke out.
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11/30/2005  4:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:

What are you guys talking about??? When Michael Jordan was his age he didn't have 2 years in the NBA yet. Hell he didn't even make his high school team while Ariza was already starting on his as a freshman. Obviously Ariza will be as good as Jordan when he reaches the age that Jordan was when he broke out.

Comeon isles, be reasonable. You said it yourself, "starting on his as a freshman". Ariza will be BETTER than MJ.

Trevor's still my favorite player, mostly because of his effort. I don't expect him to be a star or anything, but a solid role player and a defensive stopper. Tayshaun Prince without as much offense.
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11/30/2005  5:16 PM
Ariza is still only 20yrs old. Ariza isn't going to be a star, he just deosn't have that star quality. But he was a 2nd rd pick that we selected. He can grow into a good role player on a good team.
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11/30/2005  6:02 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Ariza is still only 20yrs old. Ariza isn't going to be a star, he just deosn't have that star quality. But he was a 2nd rd pick that we selected. He can grow into a good role player on a good team.


He can actually be much better then a Role player in years to come., But lets face some facts here, 1)LB's system is not a good fit for a free lance player who's basically good at nothing, 2)He gambles way to much on defense going for steals and blocks, so he's not even good in that area, 3) he can't really shoot, and like many of u have said his ball handling skill are super suspect at best.

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11/30/2005  10:18 PM
Ariza with the ghost of John Starks dunking against the Bulls!
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11/30/2005  11:50 PM
Most posters seem to think:

1) He hustles
2) He is good on defense or at least has the potential to be good.
3) He's pretty good on the boards
4) His offense sucks.

To me if the only thing he ever improved was to become a consistently solid defender that will be enough to be a consistent contributer.

If in addition he developes a solid if not spectacular offense game he could be a big contributer.

He's young and I don't think he's that far away defensively so I still think he's going to help this team.
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11/30/2005  11:52 PM
Posted by OldFan:

Most posters seem to think:

1) He hustles
2) He is good on defense or at least has the potential to be good.
3) He's pretty good on the boards
4) His offense sucks.

To me if the only thing he ever improved was to become a consistently solid defender that will be enough to be a consistent contributer.

If in addition he developes a solid if not spectacular offense game he could be a big contributer.

He's young and I don't think he's that far away defensively so I still think he's going to help this team.

agreed. If Ariza could develop that semi-consistant 15 footer and improve his handle, you are talking a longer, albeit different player than Bruce Bowen. And that's nice.
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12/1/2005  12:49 AM
Ariza still has plenty of upside. I think all of the comparisons from a month ago still apply. He's a lot more confident/aggressive than last season... and there's no doubt that he other teams' ball movement changes when he's in the game. Regardless, he's already a bonafide NBA player--- albeit of the 15-20mpg type at this stage of his development. He's a pretty gosh-darned good 2nd round pick even if he stopped improving.

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12/1/2005  7:50 AM
Posted by martin:

If Ariza could develop that semi-consistant 15 footer and improve his handle, you are talking a longer, albeit different player than Bruce Bowen. And that's nice.


And don't forget he needs to learn how to score on his man. Ariza's potential is bigger than a Bruce Bumbman.

I tell you what though.....that monster putback he had down the stretch killed the Bulls last night. Ariza took the life out of the Bulls and inserted it right into the crowd. Ariza is a special player but he has no skill with the basketball. Once he gets that the sky is the limit.
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