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Nalod
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11/29/2005  9:27 AM
Briggs was not in on the negotiations and projecting that we could have given lee instead of the pick is just speculation.

One would have to project that with curry we are better and not a bottom 5 team.

I said at trade time it was a silly fact that thw worse the trade is for us, the better the pick! Should be the other way around.

The other thing is we had to give the bulls somthing! Sweets is a nice player, but so far nothing special.

We all new it would be rough going early on, and Brown and Marbs would clash at some point. We all knew as did the media that Brown would complain about his squad and Isiah will have to go out and get him a point guard.

We are 4-9 with a tough schedule early on. Can we still get the 8th seed? 69 more games to go! Think its possible? Remember some thought it would be february before things started to click?

We got A rookie starting at the PF and kicking ass! We got a 22 year old large center who can still give us a nice post presence! We got the best point guard in the league trying very hard to conform and showing signs of improvement, and we have rookies getting heavy minutes.

I'd say things are about where they should be!

ONe thing Isiah must be dissapointed in: That Jones kid from the Pacers who landed on the Suns! Kid can shoot! IN contrast, Q has been a dissapointment.

I like that larry uses many line ups and 11-12 players. I like that Butler has gotten minutes even though by default to Lame James and Curry.

This team is still a mess, but the upside is apparent! Be Cool!
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fishmike
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11/29/2005  9:29 AM
its ok. These recent years of watching the Knicks have made Briggs unstable.
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djsunyc
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11/29/2005  9:38 AM
i think it's made all of us unstable.
BRIGGS
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11/29/2005  9:40 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Briggs was not in on the negotiations and projecting that we could have given lee instead of the pick is just speculation.

One would have to project that with curry we are better and not a bottom 5 team.

I said at trade time it was a silly fact that thw worse the trade is for us, the better the pick! Should be the other way around.

The other thing is we had to give the bulls somthing! Sweets is a nice player, but so far nothing special.

We all new it would be rough going early on, and Brown and Marbs would clash at some point. We all knew as did the media that Brown would complain about his squad and Isiah will have to go out and get him a point guard.

We are 4-9 with a tough schedule early on. Can we still get the 8th seed? 69 more games to go! Think its possible? Remember some thought it would be february before things started to click?

We got A rookie starting at the PF and kicking ass! We got a 22 year old large center who can still give us a nice post presence! We got the best point guard in the league trying very hard to conform and showing signs of improvement, and we have rookies getting heavy minutes.

I'd say things are about where they should be!

ONe thing Isiah must be dissapointed in: That Jones kid from the Pacers who landed on the Suns! Kid can shoot! IN contrast, Q has been a dissapointment.

I like that larry uses many line ups and 11-12 players. I like that Butler has gotten minutes even though by default to Lame James and Curry.

This team is still a mess, but the upside is apparent! Be Cool!




I believe 100% the Knicks bid against themsleves again. No one has the cahones to tell the truth, they will always lIE to make themsleves look better. No tem wanted eddie curry because he had a possible heart ailment and could NOT get insurance--thats a big key. this beguiling jargin about eddie being pick 1 in the draft, its ludicrous. I like getting eddie curry, but we had the bulls by the scrotum. We bent over backwards where we shouldnt have--rich is atleast sensible and I would be reasonable with that--the drafts SHOULD NOT be unprotected for the enxt two years--no way, no how. The company line that eddie is worth the pick is stupid, because NO one wanted eddie--we gave them assets they WERE not going to get otherwise. So you want to be fair and fair value wouldve ben sweetney and Lee or Sweetney and 1 protected pick---obviously they wanted lee and we had to turn the deal upside down to get chicago to capitulate. If you remember back I didnt like it the minute I heard the news that we gave to much in a sense that chicago wasnt getting it form anyone--remember ANY team UNDER the cap couldve simply signed eddie for NO compensation--thats the gig you arent getting--but these teams choose not to--so why are we overpaying for him--scream at me--briggs you fool if we make the playoffs, but if we are the 3rd pick in the draft this year and 7 next year---like elmer fudd said be vvvvewwy quiet
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djsunyc
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11/29/2005  9:44 AM
knicks 01/07 - ALL OVERPAY
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11/29/2005  10:06 AM
I don't know, but I don't see us making the play offs this year- please look at the current standings:
1. Detroit
2. Miami
3. NJ
4. Cleveland
5. Indiana
6. Chicago
7. Orlando
8. Sixers

Ahead of us for the 8 spot are:
Bucks, Washington, Boston & Charlotte.

We are the third WORST team in our conference right now.

I know things are early and we might start putting it together, but I think its a safe bet that we're not making the play offs.

And you can talk about curry being a top pick this year's draft, but the way he has played for us leads me to fear that he has Tim Thomasitis- all the physical talent in the world to make GMs drool, but lacking the ability to put it altogether on the court where and when it counts.

When it came to getting us a center this past summer, we should have stuck with Frye & gone after a steven hunter type, and had sweetney up front too.
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11/29/2005  10:10 AM
Eddie was a restricted FA. We got him because we were willing to pay him the most. If he wasnt a restricted FA I can bet you most teams with cap space would have taken a gamble on him for 2-3 years and teams that were capped would have offered him their MLE in a heartbeat.

Lets be realistic. In an era when Raef, Dampier, Foyal, Dalembert, Chandler are getting bigtime money someone is taking a shot at Curry. It was being a restricted FA that killed it.

Same thing happened with Swift. Nobody signs restricted FAs for this reason.

"beguiling jargin"
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Nalod
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11/29/2005  10:13 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Nalod:

Briggs was not in on the negotiations and projecting that we could have given lee instead of the pick is just speculation.

One would have to project that with curry we are better and not a bottom 5 team.

I said at trade time it was a silly fact that thw worse the trade is for us, the better the pick! Should be the other way around.

The other thing is we had to give the bulls somthing! Sweets is a nice player, but so far nothing special.

We all new it would be rough going early on, and Brown and Marbs would clash at some point. We all knew as did the media that Brown would complain about his squad and Isiah will have to go out and get him a point guard.

We are 4-9 with a tough schedule early on. Can we still get the 8th seed? 69 more games to go! Think its possible? Remember some thought it would be february before things started to click?

We got A rookie starting at the PF and kicking ass! We got a 22 year old large center who can still give us a nice post presence! We got the best point guard in the league trying very hard to conform and showing signs of improvement, and we have rookies getting heavy minutes.

I'd say things are about where they should be!

ONe thing Isiah must be dissapointed in: That Jones kid from the Pacers who landed on the Suns! Kid can shoot! IN contrast, Q has been a dissapointment.

I like that larry uses many line ups and 11-12 players. I like that Butler has gotten minutes even though by default to Lame James and Curry.

This team is still a mess, but the upside is apparent! Be Cool!




I believe 100% the Knicks bid against themsleves again. No one has the cahones to tell the truth, they will always lIE to make themsleves look better. No tem wanted eddie curry because he had a possible heart ailment and could NOT get insurance--thats a big key. this beguiling jargin about eddie being pick 1 in the draft, its ludicrous. I like getting eddie curry, but we had the bulls by the scrotum. We bent over backwards where we shouldnt have--rich is atleast sensible and I would be reasonable with that--the drafts SHOULD NOT be unprotected for the enxt two years--no way, no how. The company line that eddie is worth the pick is stupid, because NO one wanted eddie--we gave them assets they WERE not going to get otherwise. So you want to be fair and fair value wouldve ben sweetney and Lee or Sweetney and 1 protected pick---obviously they wanted lee and we had to turn the deal upside down to get chicago to capitulate. If you remember back I didnt like it the minute I heard the news that we gave to much in a sense that chicago wasnt getting it form anyone--remember ANY team UNDER the cap couldve simply signed eddie for NO compensation--thats the gig you arent getting--but these teams choose not to--so why are we overpaying for him--scream at me--briggs you fool if we make the playoffs, but if we are the 3rd pick in the draft this year and 7 next year---like elmer fudd said be vvvvewwy quiet

Silly Wabbit.

Briggy, your having a robotic hissy fit. Last nite you were right! If its about being right,then your gonna ride the rightous bi-polar rollercoaster!

Its kinda old to see a loss and then you jump up an down stating that you were right. All of 13 games into the season. Being right is not what all of this is about. and starting a new thread every time you want to pontificate a point is not cool.

If you not at all with any imagination then you can extrapoliate the rest of our season and just say we will win only 26 games? Is that it? We never gonna improve this season? If so, then go with it and say we should not have do the trade at all. I don't know what you predicted at seasons start before or after we got curry.

I think that the thinking was Curry makes us better, and a low playoff team at best. Thats not a lottery pick.

Your assuming it was Lee Or our no. 1 pick. Or was it our no. 1 pick AND Lee? And are your really sure you have all the facts straight?

Isiah took a GAMBLE, a calculated risk. Either you liked the deal at the time or not. But to complain after a blow out (not after a win), and after a few games Eddie did not play is kinda reactionary.

So if you think we are headed for a 26 win season with Eddie, then we should have not done this deal at all! That is perhaps the true question.

Quite frankly I don't know why we swapped Gazy for Antonio?
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11/29/2005  10:22 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by Nalod:

Briggs was not in on the negotiations and projecting that we could have given lee instead of the pick is just speculation.

One would have to project that with curry we are better and not a bottom 5 team.

I said at trade time it was a silly fact that thw worse the trade is for us, the better the pick! Should be the other way around.

The other thing is we had to give the bulls somthing! Sweets is a nice player, but so far nothing special.

We all new it would be rough going early on, and Brown and Marbs would clash at some point. We all knew as did the media that Brown would complain about his squad and Isiah will have to go out and get him a point guard.

We are 4-9 with a tough schedule early on. Can we still get the 8th seed? 69 more games to go! Think its possible? Remember some thought it would be february before things started to click?

We got A rookie starting at the PF and kicking ass! We got a 22 year old large center who can still give us a nice post presence! We got the best point guard in the league trying very hard to conform and showing signs of improvement, and we have rookies getting heavy minutes.

I'd say things are about where they should be!

ONe thing Isiah must be dissapointed in: That Jones kid from the Pacers who landed on the Suns! Kid can shoot! IN contrast, Q has been a dissapointment.

I like that larry uses many line ups and 11-12 players. I like that Butler has gotten minutes even though by default to Lame James and Curry.

This team is still a mess, but the upside is apparent! Be Cool!




I believe 100% the Knicks bid against themsleves again. No one has the cahones to tell the truth, they will always lIE to make themsleves look better. No tem wanted eddie curry because he had a possible heart ailment and could NOT get insurance--thats a big key. this beguiling jargin about eddie being pick 1 in the draft, its ludicrous. I like getting eddie curry, but we had the bulls by the scrotum. We bent over backwards where we shouldnt have--rich is atleast sensible and I would be reasonable with that--the drafts SHOULD NOT be unprotected for the enxt two years--no way, no how. The company line that eddie is worth the pick is stupid, because NO one wanted eddie--we gave them assets they WERE not going to get otherwise. So you want to be fair and fair value wouldve ben sweetney and Lee or Sweetney and 1 protected pick---obviously they wanted lee and we had to turn the deal upside down to get chicago to capitulate. If you remember back I didnt like it the minute I heard the news that we gave to much in a sense that chicago wasnt getting it form anyone--remember ANY team UNDER the cap couldve simply signed eddie for NO compensation--thats the gig you arent getting--but these teams choose not to--so why are we overpaying for him--scream at me--briggs you fool if we make the playoffs, but if we are the 3rd pick in the draft this year and 7 next year---like elmer fudd said be vvvvewwy quiet

Silly Wabbit.

Briggy, your having a robotic hissy fit. Last nite you were right! If its about being right,then your gonna ride the rightous bi-polar rollercoaster!

Its kinda old to see a loss and then you jump up an down stating that you were right. All of 13 games into the season. Being right is not what all of this is about. and starting a new thread every time you want to pontificate a point is not cool.

If you not at all with any imagination then you can extrapoliate the rest of our season and just say we will win only 26 games? Is that it? We never gonna improve this season? If so, then go with it and say we should not have do the trade at all. I don't know what you predicted at seasons start before or after we got curry.

I think that the thinking was Curry makes us better, and a low playoff team at best. Thats not a lottery pick.

Your assuming it was Lee Or our no. 1 pick. Or was it our no. 1 pick AND Lee? And are your really sure you have all the facts straight?

Isiah took a GAMBLE, a calculated risk. Either you liked the deal at the time or not. But to complain after a blow out (not after a win), and after a few games Eddie did not play is kinda reactionary.

So if you think we are headed for a 26 win season with Eddie, then we should have not done this deal at all! That is perhaps the true question.

Quite frankly I don't know why we swapped Gazy for Antonio?



yeah, you're right. We have the next Tim Duncan, the next Shaq, the best PG in the nBA, a back up C who is going to put up double doubles, Tom Chambers--i mean David Lee the best coach, the best GM, the highest payroll-- we dont need no stinkin picks[in my best tony montana]

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11/29/2005  10:23 AM
cap reasons... We needed it to offset the difference between Eddie's $8mm+ and Sweetney's $2-$3mm
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11/29/2005  10:43 AM
This whole thread is crazy especially when the guy writing the thread is the same guy who said he would give up the Knicks' roster for the Bulls' big men last spring. Same guy who wanted to give up the #8 pick for Darko and Kwame Brown. The same guy who said that Bynum was the next best big man. I won't even go into his trade tirades about Robinson only 2 weeks after going after Killa for saying that Nate was overhyped (won't mention the D-Wade comparison). Please stop the UCONN hype pipeline.
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11/29/2005  11:36 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:

This whole thread is crazy especially when the guy writing the thread is the same guy who said he would give up the Knicks' roster for the Bulls' big men last spring. Same guy who wanted to give up the #8 pick for Darko and Kwame Brown. The same guy who said that Bynum was the next best big man. I won't even go into his trade tirades about Robinson only 2 weeks after going after Killa for saying that Nate was overhyped (won't mention the D-Wade comparison). Please stop the UCONN hype pipeline.
Also the same guy who said getting Eddy Curry made us instant and serious title contenders. If that's so, then you can't regret giving up an unprotected pick for him.
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11/29/2005  11:48 AM
This is also the same guys who saracastically pointed out our flaws and said(in his best tony montanna voice) that we don't need picks, yet we have 3 first round picks on the team, getting minutes and he still is unhappy, downgrading their contributions... I have the feeling that we could have all 30 first round picks next year and Briggs would find fault that we don't have a first rounder in year 2056.....
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11/29/2005  12:01 PM
I have the feeling that we could have all 30 first round picks next year and Briggs would find fault that we don't have a first rounder in year 2056.....

ha ha ha
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11/29/2005  12:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

cap reasons... We needed it to offset the difference between Eddie's $8mm+ and Sweetney's $2-$3mm

I thought they just washed each other out.
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11/29/2005  12:08 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by fishmike:

cap reasons... We needed it to offset the difference between Eddie's $8mm+ and Sweetney's $2-$3mm

I thought they just washed each other out.

since we're allowed to come to 125% of the dollars, by bringing in tim and ad into the picture, that 125% goes up alot more so we can give eddy a higher starting salary.
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11/29/2005  12:15 PM
Sorry briggy,

"Its just your 19th nervous break down"

ANd this time I can't.....

"come to your emotional rescue"

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11/29/2005  12:20 PM
I will agree with briggs to the extent that giving up those picks was a risky moves, but zeke can always get more picks via trades, so all in all I think it was a good move, becuase 1. I agree with zeke that eddy curry is a rare find and 2. I think that the knicks (despite last nights display) have a good chance of making the play-offs, as long a LB figures things out quickly enough. and even if we don't its not the end of the world, so what if we wind up giving chicago the 7-10th pick, I'm not to worried about who they could draft with it, that person probably wont be as good as curry. and as far as the zeke could have given if lee instead of the picks rumor, if it's true than i actually disagree with briggs that lee should have been given up instead of the picks becuase from what ive seen the picks are probably easier to replace than lee,vbut since that may not even be true no reason to worry about it.


[Edited by - slimpack on 11-29-2005 12:24 PM]
We got so fcd over by Chicago

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