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tkf
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11/28/2005  10:31 PM
Briggs: I see what you are saying, but Duncan is really not an interior player, he shoots that jumper, especially off the glass a lot, but it is tough to compare their college careers, frye played with a lot more talent than duncan at arizona, but Duncan is a special player, doesn't mean frye can't be a special player in his own way. that is the beauty of being different and making your own mark in the league, which frye is starting to do in his young career..
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11/28/2005  10:46 PM
Posted by tkf:

Briggs: I see what you are saying, but Duncan is really not an interior player, he shoots that jumper, especially off the glass a lot, but it is tough to compare their college careers, frye played with a lot more talent than duncan at arizona, but Duncan is a special player, doesn't mean frye can't be a special player in his own way. that is the beauty of being different and making your own mark in the league, which frye is starting to do in his young career..



Lets say this--like I said just before this thread--Tim Duncan is a multiple MVP 3 * WC, the best player in the world for a few years. Channing is a very nice rookie who can do some nice things--kind of like a tayshaun Prince of the PF position. But Tim Duncan
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11/28/2005  11:23 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by tomverve:

Too bad Frye didn't have a good game tonight, then we could have Briggs raving about our next Duncan.

I think Channing is going to be a very nice player. This Tim Duncan stuff is absurd. Its not one game, it's 4 years in college. Your the stat man here--go look up Frye's and Tim 4 years in college and get back to me. Completely different players. Tim Duncan is an interior player who dominates on the defensive end and is an elite level rebounder/shot blocker. Channing frye is a great jump shooting PF with the length to also do some nice things on the interior -- block some shots and on occasion, rebound well.



94-95 WakeForest 36.5 59.1 42.9 74.2 12.5 2.1 2.8 4.2 0.4 16.8
95-96 WakeForest 37.3 55.5 30.4 68.7 12.3 2.9 3.3 3.8 0.7 19.1
96-97 WakeForest 36.7 60.8 27.3 63.6 14.7 3.2 3.2 3.3 0.7 20.8
have you done the team, league, and era adjustments?
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11/28/2005  11:30 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by tomverve:

Too bad Frye didn't have a good game tonight, then we could have Briggs raving about our next Duncan.

I think Channing is going to be a very nice player. This Tim Duncan stuff is absurd. Its not one game, it's 4 years in college. Your the stat man here--go look up Frye's and Tim 4 years in college and get back to me. Completely different players. Tim Duncan is an interior player who dominates on the defensive end and is an elite level rebounder/shot blocker. Channing frye is a great jump shooting PF with the length to also do some nice things on the interior -- block some shots and on occasion, rebound well.



94-95 WakeForest 36.5 59.1 42.9 74.2 12.5 2.1 2.8 4.2 0.4 16.8
95-96 WakeForest 37.3 55.5 30.4 68.7 12.3 2.9 3.3 3.8 0.7 19.1
96-97 WakeForest 36.7 60.8 27.3 63.6 14.7 3.2 3.2 3.3 0.7 20.8
have you done the team, league, and era adjustments?

yeah, tim duncan 3 time mVP 3 time world champ best player in the world, i think that about covers it.
college pac 10 against ACC? what do you mean by era? is it a baseball reference? point of time? like Magic Johnson 1979? Magic Johnson in 1979 is better than any basketball player going today.
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11/28/2005  11:34 PM
Briggs, you might as well not argue. These are the same people that are saying that Ariza is a Marion.
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11/28/2005  11:38 PM
I'm saying "college basketball" is not a universal standard, but that stats are dependant on things like coach, teammates, style of play, league, and era. If you saw Duncan at Wake and Frye last year at Az, you would have seen similarities right down to the Stoutemire's. Now, I know Zeke doesn't have your eye for talent, but Zeke made the Duncan comparison when he was studying him for the draft. It doesn't mean Frye will be Duncan, just that they're both big, talented and fundamentally sound.
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11/29/2005  12:35 AM
Briggs: Tayshaun prince reminds me of Scottie pippen, and Ben wallace reminds me of bill russel, Now I am not saying either player is better or even close, but you don't have to be on that players level to resemble them Briggs. why is that so hard to understand...?
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11/29/2005  12:42 AM
Everyone take a deep breath and a step back, and get back in touch with reality.

Off the top of my head, Tim Duncan is one of the top three or four big men of all time. A true once-in-a-lifetime player. A legend (without the ego of one), with the MVP and championship trophies to back it up.

That said, think of all the big men who were simply not in TD's class. The list goes something like this:

Ewing.
Olajuwon.
Robinson.
McHale.
Parish.

I could go on, but you see my point. There have been many GREAT big men who have not been as great as TD. No shame in that.

Just because Channing Frye is not and will never be as good as Tim Duncan (and he won't) does not necessarily mean he is not going to be a GREAT NBA player in his own right.

I'm not talking "nice" or "very good." I think he already is both those things 13 games into his career. Safe to say he'll improve many times over, and at least has a chance to be a great one. Not as great as TD, but great nonetheless.


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11/29/2005  12:54 AM
Uhh Ernie.....

Hakeem is better than Duncan ever will be.

I'll take Ewing's heart over Duncan.

D-Rob is a tough call.

But just b/c Duncan is dominating the big men of today doesn't mean ****.
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11/29/2005  1:02 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

Uhh Ernie.....

Hakeem is better than Duncan ever will be.

I'll take Ewing's heart over Duncan.

D-Rob is a tough call.

But just b/c Duncan is dominating the big men of today doesn't mean ****.

if tim duncan played in the mid/late 80's to the early 90's, he'd be brad daugherty.
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11/29/2005  1:15 AM
^ Brad Daugherty with defense...
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11/29/2005  1:26 AM
Off the top of my head, Tim Duncan is one of the top three or four big men of all time. A true once-in-a-lifetime player. A legend (without the ego of one), with the MVP and championship trophies to back it up.

That said, think of all the big men who were simply not in TD's class. The list goes something like this:

Ewing.
Olajuwon.
Robinson.
McHale.
Parish.

Posted by djsunyc:

if tim duncan played in the mid/late 80's to the early 90's, he'd be brad daugherty.

what? dj, i can't believe you undervalue duncan to that degree.

imo . . . .

olajuwon was one of the true marvels to ever take to the court. but even with that i'd say duncan's on his level because of his overall record and impaat on any game he played n.

ewing would play great all game and then come up short in the end - duncan would do a couple of small things to beat him.

robinson was an athletic and physical freak with a fantastic attitude toward the game but imo without a real center's game and no bread-and-butter move when he needed it. and he'll always be remembered for being blown right off the court by hakeem in his own MVP year.

mchale was killing everyone until he played in the playoffs with a busted foot. he was never the same after that - would have been interesting to see just how dominant he could have become. but he didn't carry a team to championships the way duncan did.

parish - duncan has it totally over the chief.
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11/29/2005  1:39 AM
brad daugherty was a VERY good player. but was he in the class of ewing or hakeem? nope, just a tier below them. i'm not undervalueing tim duncan at all. i just don't know how he would match up against ewing in his prime or hakeem. it's tough comparing them even tho they are relatively close in eras but i don't see how tim gets that type of post position each and every time down the court with some of the big boys on him.

duncan, right now is head and shoulders better than everyone in the league. i just think that he would be 1 notch below the ewing's and the olajuwons. so i was trying to think of a center in that era that was 1 notch below and the first guy that popped into my head was brad daugherty.
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11/29/2005  1:59 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

brad daugherty was a VERY good player. but was he in the class of ewing or hakeem? nope, just a tier below them. i'm not undervalueing tim duncan at all. i just don't know how he would match up against ewing in his prime or hakeem. it's tough comparing them even tho they are relatively close in eras but i don't see how tim gets that type of post position each and every time down the court with some of the big boys on him.

duncan, right now is head and shoulders better than everyone in the league. i just think that he would be 1 notch below the ewing's and the olajuwons. so i was trying to think of a center in that era that was 1 notch below and the first guy that popped into my head was brad daugherty.

brad was very good - but think of the players he had on his team and could never get it done - mark price, larry nance, ron harper (pre-injury perennial all-star), john williams. i see your point but i disagree - daugherty is duncan without all the intangibles that allow the guy to beat shaq's lakers, come up with near triple doubles in championship deciding games, carry teams to titles, come up with the needed block, assist, rebound, shot to win a series, etc. daugherty never got that done. duncan's at three and counting. it's just conjecture, but i think he would have hung right with the ewings/robinsons/olajuwons.



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11/29/2005  2:32 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:

It doesn't mean Frye will be Duncan, just that they're both big, talented and fundamentally sound.

Put in that context, it sounds reasonable. Another valid comparison is that they're both intelligent players.

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11/29/2005  2:43 AM
OK, fine, Hakeem is better. But to say you'd take Ewing's heart over Duncan??? Not sure what that means. You're basing how good a player is on his heart? How about Starks? He had tons of heart, probably more than even Ewing. And Oakley had tons of heart as well.
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11/29/2005  2:54 AM
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is, just because Frye may not ever be as good as Duncan does not relegate him to being merely a "nice" player. There's a lot of space between being "nice" and an "all-time great."

Plus, how can anyone question Duncan's heart? The guy has led his team to three titles in what, seven years? And he has been as important to his team as Jordan was to the Bulls (almost, at least ), Magic (or Shaq) to the Lakers and Bird to the Celtics.

So why does Duncan have any less heart than any of those legendary players? Just because he goes about his business in a very quiet, non-flashy way?
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