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BRIGGS
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11/27/2005  3:55 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Ricky = good #'s and bad basketball. I would rather have a less productive role player

Send Penny + Lee at the deadline for Turkoglu and Cato or Christy's contract (if thats still allowed)


That like saying Marbury--good stats bad team. No Ricky davis--tremendous talent in his prime is more like it.
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11/27/2005  3:56 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


No Ricky davis--tremendous talent in his prime is more like it.

If thats the case then tell me again why Boston would want to trade him?


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11/27/2005  4:07 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

[quote]Posted by BRIGGS:


No Ricky davis--tremendous talent in his prime is more like it.

If thats the case then tell me again why Boston would want to trade him?



the reasons why boston and davis are a good target is because they
A. have two long term contracts they do want to get rid of
B. have several prospects such as Gerald Greene Ryan Gomes, Tony Allen waiting in the wings
C. puts them at a nice cap number for next year--makes them a player for a max contract deal-

blount is not sht. its not like we are taking back penny. blount is was he is, a 7 footer who can score with effeciency. Ricky Davis is a 20-5-5 50% player from the wing who also plays great defense. Fishmike said turkuglo? ricky davis is 3-4 times better than hedo david is near all star caliber


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11/27/2005  4:14 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

the reasons why boston and davis are a good target is because they
A. have two long term contracts they do want to get rid of
B. have several prospects such as Gerald Greene Ryan Gomes, Tony Allen waiting in the wings
C. puts them at a nice cap number for next year--makes them a player for a max contract deal-

blount is not sht. its not like we are taking back penny. blount is was he is, a 7 footer who can score with effeciency. Ricky Davis is a 20-5-5 50% player from the wing who also plays great defense. Fishmike said turkuglo? ricky davis is 3-4 times better than hedo david is near all star caliber

All good points Briggs. With that said, I've just never viewed Ricky Davis as a teamplayer, I had a chance to watch him alot the past 3 years since I lived in New England, his game is great but he has alot of ME-ME-ME in him. I just don't want that kind of player in with the young guys on this roster and potentially spiking the punch and potentially being a bad influence to guys like Nate, Reezy and Frye. His basketball skills are great though, him and Marbury in the backcourt could be lethal.. I just don't know if it's worth it to potentially bring a cancer in.

I do agree with you though your throught-process in this idea and some of your previous posts about the Knicks going to a 3guard offense. I still think Q can be that guy, I think he needs the chance to be that guy because it looks like right now he's going to be stuck here no matter if he keeps playing like he is then Isiah will definately be exploring the route of bringing in another SG.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-27-2005 4:14 PM]
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11/27/2005  4:15 PM
actually we could offer boston the two ending contracts david lee and SA#1 this year for Pierce Davis and Blount. That puts them in full rebuilding mode with all of their youngins and huge cap space next two years.
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11/27/2005  5:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
what report is that--the one's by the owner of the wolves and kg? or the one's made up by marc berman and frank isola?
But when Berman and Isola tell you that we could have kept all our draft picks had we given Chicago Lee, you believe them.

that was an instance where both the chicago papers and the NY papers said the hold up was the bulls were asking for lee and the knicks were offering picks--and obviously upped the ante to get chicago to do it.
Oh well if papers from two cities said it, it obviously must be true. Geez. I never saw someone more gullible whenever it's negative news (or can be spun as negative news) about the Knicks.

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11/27/2005  6:29 PM
Ricky = good #'s and bad basketball.

what a bunch of bs, davis was railroaded in cleveland. finally when he gets to team that has a higher bball iq than the one he left and performs beyond expectations its called bad bball.

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11/27/2005  6:32 PM
BJ Armstrong says that the losing was good for the knicks. They have learned to lose which in the end will teach them how to win. He said that he thinks they have played consistant this whole year so far and he thinks it's great that larry is making a point that he doesn't care how big your contract is, he'll play the young guys over the vets cause they put out more effort and that is leading to the vets putting forth more effort.

Interesting stats...Last 3 games Marbury is averagin 27 ppg on 57% shooting. You can really see this team starting to come together!

In another note...I guess the knicks had a deal done for rose that included penny but Zeke backed out of it because i guess he decided that he didn't want to go down that road again like he did in Indy.

Look for Portland to trade Darius..he is really not happy with Nate's disciple rules.


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11/27/2005  7:54 PM
In another note...I guess the knicks had a deal done for rose that included penny but Zeke backed out of it
What was the deal? Where did you hear about it?
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11/27/2005  8:00 PM
I would love love love to get Ricky Davis, he's amazing and the exact type of scorer Frye and Marbury need, but you really think Ainge would trade with Zeke after he went out of his way to direct Sheed to Detroit instead of to New York?
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11/27/2005  8:06 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

I would love love love to get Ricky Davis, he's amazing and the exact type of scorer Frye and Marbury need, but you really think Ainge would trade with Zeke after he went out of his way to direct Sheed to Detroit instead of to New York?
Maybe, but it would take a lot more than Briggs deal. Blount's rebounding has been bad but he's averaging 13 PPG, 1.5 Blocks/game. Boston's not gonna give up a borderline all-star to get rid of Blount unless we throw in young guys.
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11/27/2005  8:12 PM
how about this

David Lee
Penny Hardaway
Jackie Butler

for Ricky Davis
Mark Blount
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11/27/2005  8:21 PM
Listen--even if we gave up two young guys like Lee and Butler+ that SA 30 pick

if we could trade those ending contracts for

F Ricky Davis
F Mo Pete
G Mike James
C Mark Blount



Ill go like this

David Lee
SA 06
Jackie Butler
ending

for R davis and Mark blount

ending
to Tor
for Mike James
Eric Williams
Mo Pete


toronto is done already 1-13--that is a guaranteed 13+mm off their cap next year if Jmes opted in--and lets face it he could get hurt and opt in right? they cant bank on him opting out so it 13+mm in savaings

the nice thing about the deal is we dont take on any huge contract, but rtahre medium cost with 2-5 years left on the deals which gives the most flexibility--and likely the last time the knicks would need to increase payroll --it would be all down hill and we would be a player.

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11/27/2005  9:12 PM
Lee, Butler, SA #30 for Blount and Davis is a reasonable offer. I would do it from our perspective. Davis has become a very good team player and he's very well rounded. 21/6/5 players don't grow on trees. (I would be very concerned though about getting another veteran frontcourt player because I think Larry might lose more games by giving some of Frye's minutes to the veteran. If Larry starts Frye even when Curry is healthy, that concern of mine will go away.)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-27-2005 9:13 PM]
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11/28/2005  8:16 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by fishmike:

Ricky = good #'s and bad basketball. I would rather have a less productive role player

Send Penny + Lee at the deadline for Turkoglu and Cato or Christy's contract (if thats still allowed)


That like saying Marbury--good stats bad team. No Ricky davis--tremendous talent in his prime is more like it.
umm.. which part of MArbury-- good stats bad team is false? Sounds like a pretty good description. I think we will be better this year but last year especially thats about right on the nose.

There is something wrong with Ricky Davis and if you watch him play you will see it. I dont know if he doesnt care about winning, or refuses to play in a system or what, but the guy is lost between the ears. Yea he's talented and skilled.

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11/28/2005  8:25 AM
we dont need another mental case thats great at getting his own shot off. Give me Turkoglu, Mike Miller, Battier... a good role player. Give me a guy that can defend there and hit the 3.

We have enough offense. Frye, Curry, Marbury, Crawford, et al

I would give Miles a pass as a 24 year old thats in a bad situation. He was very good in Cle and great with the Clippers. No problems there.
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11/28/2005  8:27 AM
Are you talking about pre-Boston Ricky Davis or the current Ricky Davis? He looks like a good team player now who's matured nicely.
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11/28/2005  8:39 AM
what I have seen from Ricky this year. I see his #s are good but I have watched Bos. They are terrible and he doesnt make them better.

Much rather have one of the guys I mentioned despite being less "talented"
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11/28/2005  9:54 AM
Davis is good and has been getting better. I definitely take Blount to get him (though I'm not a fan of moving Butler for him). He's shooting a very high % and has always been a good assist and steals man. Plus he's what, 26? He could be the type of SF this team needs.
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