Posted by BRIGGS:

nice shot nate--scrw all the people who think you sck, but I would still trade you for mike james and a 2006 2nd tomorrow morning:>) want to let you enjoy the night:>)

nate 4 james... lol!

Posted by BigRedDog:

Dumb trade about nate- I'l tell u why. Whats james going to give u in 1-2 yrs ? nothing. Nate gave u a glimpse in the 2nd half what he can do when he LEARNS about how to play the game. He is a game changer. Where r we going this year? Give the young guys time before u ship their azz out of here. How weould you feel if you trade nate and in 2 yrs he is amazing? pretty shtty-thats how.

Let me re-word this. Lets get Patterson and James within reason. If Larry Brown is willing to make Nate the 4th guard--thats very cool with me as he plays spot minutes and learns the game. I dont know what it would take, but bringing in both James and Patterson could settle this team, actually I think we would be much more consistent and its not costly. The raptors wont do it for nothing. Id be willing to insert LEE and takeaway james as long as I got that raptor 2nd rounder--which is like the 31st pick in the draft. Butler Lee and Barnes for James and a 2nd rounder. The ONLy reason I put in Nate was because I was getting the feeling LB was going to just lose him on the bench as soon as he could. OF COURSe I want to keep nate, but id rather trade him if lB isnt going to use him--and thats what it was sounding like--that being said, we need a pro guard desperately--q rich isnt it--hes a quasi-3 man who should play the role he had in Pheonix--which is not adaptable here. I dont want to throw away this season and I want to keep things inperspective--we are minimally short a 3 and a guard. HOPEFULLY at some point JJ will comeback lighter and wil be able to contribute 10 minutes

Posted by fishmike:

Frye still isnt a good rebounder. His failure to box out Webber is what sent the game into OT in the first place.

Frye wasn't on the floor for that play-- LB subbed in Malik Rose just before Craw's second FT. Check the game thread, there's about 3 pages of complaints about that substitution.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by fishmike:

Frye still isnt a good rebounder. His failure to box out Webber is what sent the game into OT in the first place.

Frye wasn't on the floor for that play-- LB subbed in Malik Rose just before Craw's second FT. Check the game thread, there's about 3 pages of complaints about that substitution.

yup. He wasnt in the game that last minute. I wonder if it would've changed anything though. Frye is certainly a better rebounder than most people thought he was. I hope continues to prove a lot of people wrong.

i agree, i'm fine if he averages 6-7 boards in his 1st year.

yeah, the fact that we could've had Stephen Hunter instead of JJ makes me sick sometimes.

Are you serious? The thought that we could have Amare and Camby here makes me sick. The thought we could have Stephen Hunter here might make me feel slight disappointment for a very tiny fraction of a second.

I watched the game and I forgot that Frye was subbed out as well. Its an understandable mistake. They all went after Iverson though so I can't fault them as Iverson is deadly. Dwight Howard is averaging 12rebs a game and he is what 19? 20? thats excellent. 6 rebs isn't excellent, 8rebs isn't excellent, 10rebs isn't excellent. 10rebs is great, but not excellent. Frye has ways to go with rebounding and shotblocking. Can't question his shooting since he has more than proven his ability there. But you can question his rebounding. I believe in him though he will be a good rebounder before his career is done.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by fishmike:

Frye still isnt a good rebounder. His failure to box out Webber is what sent the game into OT in the first place.

Frye wasn't on the floor for that play-- LB subbed in Malik Rose just before Craw's second FT. Check the game thread, there's about 3 pages of complaints about that substitution.

Maybe people shouldn't comment when they don't watch the game.

Frye's rebounding *in the NBA* has been excellent.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-26-2005 11:43 PM]

No it hasn't. He has shown flashes, but maybe while he was not in for that play, he still gets boxed out and pushed out regularly. He needs to work on his positioning. He will be really good, I expect him to be an 8 rebound a game player soon enough, but for NOW, he's no that good. And don't give me stats. Watch the game.

Posted by Allanfan20:

No it hasn't. He has shown flashes, but maybe while he was not in for that play, he still gets boxed out and pushed out regularly. He needs to work on his positioning. He will be really good, I expect him to be an 8 rebound a game player soon enough, but for NOW, he's no that good. And don't give me stats. Watch the game.

Rebounds per game is a lousy stat. Rebounds per 40 is a bit better. Frye is averaging 10.1 rebounds per 40. If you prefer per 36, he's at 9.1 boards per 36. Of course, none of this even takes pace into account, but no matter. You're underselling Frye's potential, because he's already a better rebounder than you expect him to be soon enough.

edit: or I should say, it looks like that's the direction he's heading in. Sample size is still small, but at least going by what the early returns tell us, you're being too conservative with your 8 rebound/game expectation (however many minutes at whatever pace that per game average is supposed to encompass).

[Edited by - tomverve on 11-27-2005 02:59 AM]

Posted by tomverve:

Posted by fishmike:

Frye still isnt a good rebounder. His failure to box out Webber is what sent the game into OT in the first place.

Frye wasn't on the floor for that play-- LB subbed in Malik Rose just before Craw's second FT. Check the game thread, there's about 3 pages of complaints about that substitution.

Yeah fishy. You probably was pacing back and forth at the time of the substitution. I remember that from the season opener, lol.

Anyway I cursed Larry brown and his mama to hell when he took Frye out. i couldn't understand what that was about cuz it couldn't have been for defensive purposes. At that frantic moment fryes length would have been useful.

That play was a killer anyway cuz iverson drew four defenders. Webber was at the right place at the right time.