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Knight
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11/20/2005  6:17 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

I think Steph IS selfish. He holds himself in very high regard.

That's why you need to bring in someone he respects and views as on his level.

The problem is that he doesn't think anyone else is on his level! He's the best.
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11/20/2005  6:29 PM
I am so sick and tired of people calling Steph selfish. He believes in himself, yes, but if you watch him with LB and the other coaches and players, not only is he trying to learn, but he is listening. What star in this league isn't selfish by this definition, name one. How can 8 assists start a thread like this. I read enough of this crap in the newspaper. "Steph doesn't make anyone better..." Blah, Blah, Blah... With the right rotation in the game, he does make people better. When everyone stands out at the three point line and waits for him to score, nothing will work, but when people are slashing and cutting he gets people involved. And to top it off the guy is playing his heart out on the defensive end of the floor. When will Steph make you Steph-haters happy? What would you have him do? I am just curious. If he dishes alot he's not scoring enough, and if he scores too much he's selfish. And spare me the out-of-context media quotes.
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11/20/2005  6:30 PM
Marbury is just like AI. They don't WANT a second banana. They want all the glory and all the shots and points. Look at someone like AI. They even brought in Webber and he's lost there. They ran Larry Hughes out of town. It should tell you something that when Marbs had KG, he had to leave because he couldn't stand sharing the spotlight. If someone like Paul Pierce, or Peja came here and averaged 25 a game, it would drive Marbury crazy.
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11/20/2005  6:38 PM
Eric Snow made this observation about the difference between Lebron and AI:

"LeBron’s game is made to play with other people," Snow said. "A.I.’s game is made for people to follow him."

You can subsitute Marbs' name in there for AI I think.
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11/20/2005  6:40 PM
Until some of these guys win it doesnt mean anything. Kidd, Nash, Lebron(while obviously Lebron is extremely young) these guys are regarded as the best at making players around them better but none of them have won a thing. Big men win in this league plain and simple.

Same goes for guys like Iverson and Marbury.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-20-2005 6:42 PM]
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11/20/2005  6:42 PM
Marbury is just like AI. They don't WANT a second banana. They want all the glory and all the shots and points. Look at someone like AI. They even brought in Webber and he's lost there. They ran Larry Hughes out of town. It should tell you something that when Marbs had KG, he had to leave because he couldn't stand sharing the spotlight. If someone like Paul Pierce, or Peja came here and averaged 25 a game, it would drive Marbury crazy.


I don't know about that. Marbury's career FGA/40min (through 04/05) is 17.4; Iverson's is 22.2. Career FTA/40 (decent additional indicator of how often player likes to shoot): Marbury 6.2, Iverson 8.6. Clearly both guys like to shoot, but just as clearly, Marbury is not at Iverson's level when it comes to dominating the ball for individual offense. I would expect Marbury to have a decidedly easier time adjusting to a second (or first) banana than Iverson, which makes sense anyway. Iverson is clearly a first banana type, whereas Marbs is more of a borderline first/second type (would be better off as a second banana in fact, if we could just get a legit first).

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11/20/2005  6:52 PM

But Frye and Curry, while they might become solid players, even All-Star caliber, they don't seem like the type Marbury TRUSTS.....and that's what's most important. He's never viewed any 1 teammate as being on his level with the exception of KG.



[Edited by - bobs3304 on 11-20-2005 6:05 PM]

Let me know if you stumble across any logic. This "point" was completely nebulous.

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11/20/2005  6:58 PM
I don't think Marbs could accept being the second guy. History hasn't shown it (again, KG). Sooner or later we will find out though.
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11/20/2005  6:59 PM
Marbury was effusive in his praise of Frye after the game. His eyes lit up when Trautwig asked about him.
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11/20/2005  7:02 PM
Marbury said Frye can "play his <something> off!"
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11/20/2005  7:04 PM
I think if push came to shove, Marbury could def. play with someone considered a pier of his, meaning NOT playing second banana, but rather more of a Maggette/Brand relationship, or Kidd/Carter, or Duncan/Parker.

It's not about output. It's not about credentials. It's about how Stephon n views that player. I don't think he would feel threatened if Isiah brought in someone as talented as him. After all, he DID co-exist with Marion.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/20/2005  7:05 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:


But Frye and Curry, while they might become solid players, even All-Star caliber, they don't seem like the type Marbury TRUSTS.....and that's what's most important. He's never viewed any 1 teammate as being on his level with the exception of KG.

Let me know if you stumble across any logic. This "point" was completely nebulous.

What I meant was that while Curry, etc. might become All-Star caliber in the FUTURE, they aren't now. Marbury needs someone at that level NOW.

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/20/2005  7:07 PM
As far as that whole Minnesota situation goes, does anybody know the inside info on that?

Did Steph leave b/c of money reasons, or b/c he felt like he wasn't being given the respect he felt he deserved?
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11/20/2005  7:09 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by PhilinLA:


But Frye and Curry, while they might become solid players, even All-Star caliber, they don't seem like the type Marbury TRUSTS.....and that's what's most important. He's never viewed any 1 teammate as being on his level with the exception of KG.

Let me know if you stumble across any logic. This "point" was completely nebulous.

What I meant was that while Curry, etc. might become All-Star caliber in the FUTURE, they aren't now. Marbury needs someone at that level NOW.

But the point is, Frye and Curry can score better than Kurt Thomas and Nazr, and Stephon was perfectly willing to try to pile up assists by feeding them and will likely really start cooking as he gets comfortable with where Frye and Curry will be. I think he looks forward to Q finding his rhythm and he likes working with Craw, who will help Steph immensely as he continues to get his game under control.
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11/20/2005  7:13 PM
^ Without a doubt.

But what that means is that we'll be good enough to make the playoffs, but never really good enough to be a championship contender for a few years until Curry develops (hopefully) into the dominant presence we all know he can be.

Like most fans, I'd rather not have to wait 2 years or so for us to actualize our potential.

I'd love for Steph to have that tag-team duo element going on. Who knows, maybe if Frye keeps up his solid play, we can trade him with expirings, etc. for KG...

Always a possibility.
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11/20/2005  7:35 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

As far as that whole Minnesota situation goes, does anybody know the inside info on that?

Did Steph leave b/c of money reasons, or b/c he felt like he wasn't being given the respect he felt he deserved?


http://www.s-t.com/daily/03-99/03-12-99/d02sp099.htm

"It wasn't money," Taylor said. "He grew up in the East and wants to play back by his family."
Marbury has long expressed a desire to play for the New York Knicks, and it's clear he saw the Nets as the next best thing.
"It's New York, but it's not New York. It's New Jersey," he told WFAN. "When people think about the New Jersey Nets, the first thing they think is that's the other New York team."

This article was made in 99. And to this day you will still have people talking about Marbury wanted to be trade because he was jeolous(spell?) of KG and that he wanted as much money as him.

What this team needs though is to continue to develop Frye & Curry. For Everyone else to continue to grow under Brown's system. And to move Q for go to offense at the G/F spot. Someone who can shoot, and someone who can create his own shot a little something. If Spree didn't burn his bridge he could help us right now.
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11/20/2005  7:50 PM
Well, perception is everything, so you never know if they were covering something up. B/c he DID play for Phoenix too, and I never heard him request a trade back to the east...


BUT...yes, youre right for sure. Continue to develop what you have. Being a playoff contender is nothing to shut your eye to. But in all honesty, Marbury is not Nash or Kidd, who I believe you could throw on just about any team and they'd help them win.

Marbury is labelled as "selfish" b/c he holds himself in high regard and probly doesn't trust teammates who are just "role" players. It's not that he can't work with players not on his level, or that he can't make them better and be unselfish, it's that he'll always feel as if he needs to "do" most of the offense himself.

If you bring in a KG or any other star on his level (in his mind), I think Steph would open up b/c he wouldn't feel as if he had to do everything himself. Steph needs someone he feels he can lean on.

That's his shortcoming as a player...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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11/20/2005  8:04 PM
Im just answering your question not trying to get into a debate with you.
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11/20/2005  8:14 PM
I do agree that we need a superstud if we are serious about the championship. But that doesn't seem like a real option right now. So make a smaller move for that G/F and hopfully make a little noise.

Everyones value looks higher when your winning. Eisley & Anderson actually looked good when they played with the Jazz.
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11/20/2005  8:17 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

I do agree that we need a superstud if we are serious about the championship. But that doesn't seem like a real option right now. So make a smaller move for that G/F and hopfully make a little noise.

Everyones value looks higher when your winning. Eisley & Anderson actually looked good when they played with the Jazz.


Agreed. Like I said, there's nothing to be ashamed about if you're a playoff contender, but not a championship contender. As our players' values increase, it'll be easier to land that impact stud.

So it'll be win-win no matter what.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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