Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

It's beyond unreasonable to think we'll get the better player and draft picks just because we're taking one extra season of Rose. Why not just ask them to throw in Bosh and Villanueva?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-21-2005 11:38 AM]

Its beyond unreasonable to take 19 MILLION $ off of someone's cap? Take a hard look at the Jamison trade to Dallas or the Davis trade to GS. Certainly MUCH younger players than Rose. GS GAVE Dallas a number 1 pick + Jiri Welsch to take Jamison's contract. Its simple to me, its fair value, a business decision. we are NOT taking Jalen 1-1, so they will be stuck over the cpa next year, and they sck. IF we DID take James and Rose--that makes them a player for a max contract+ their own high draft pick. they have 5 picks in the next 3 years--so it will cost them 1. Just because Jalen Rose is better than Penny, doesnt justify spening that loot. James and a pick are ESSENTIAL parts and nOTHING less would be adequate.

Posted by djsunyc:

how about this trade:

penny + barnes

for

mo pete + rose + #1

we save them $20 mil next season, we get 2 pieces that will help and a #1 in the process.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-21-2005 7:46 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by djsunyc:

how about this trade:

penny + barnes

for

mo pete + rose + #1

we save them $20 mil next season, we get 2 pieces that will help and a #1 in the process.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-21-2005 7:46 PM]

Save the two expiring contracts for components of a bigger trade. Maybe a KG deal or maybe a deal where we get a lower level all-star.

if it was up to me, then penny + AD don't get moved and we'd waive penny after the deadline.
but if we're talking about rose, then this is a possible deal...barring a firesale like you mentioned.

and even i don't want KG (as crazy as that sounds) based on what they're probably going to ask.

KG is just one example. The point is you go for an all-star or near all-star with expiring contracts. I'd do the Rose deal only if the #1 pick was "completely unprotected" which I can't imagine the Raptors doing.
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On edit: I also mean that the #1 unprotected pick would be the Raptors' pick in 2006 not some future Raptors' pick or other team's pick that they own


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 11-21-2005 8:09 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by djsunyc:

how about this trade:

penny + barnes

for

mo pete + rose + #1

we save them $20 mil next season, we get 2 pieces that will help and a #1 in the process.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-21-2005 7:46 PM]

No, James--Ill give them nate to fulfill thier back up PG. If Im taking 19mm$, I want James and that denver pick. It gives them a player to help rebuilding with NOW and huge cap space for next year. You cant ask for much more when you are rebuilding. Giving up one pick out of the 5 you hold in the next 3 is nothing. James can play in a 3 guard alignment and be our 6th man. Hes a tenacious on ball defender and obviously can score the ball.

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by djsunyc:

how about this trade:

penny + barnes

for

mo pete + rose + #1

we save them $20 mil next season, we get 2 pieces that will help and a #1 in the process.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 11-21-2005 7:46 PM]

No, James--Ill give them nate to fulfill thier back up PG. If Im taking 19mm$, I want James and that denver pick. It gives them a player to help rebuilding with NOW and huge cap space for next year. You cant ask for much more when you are rebuilding. Giving up one pick out of the 5 you hold in the next 3 is nothing. James can play in a 3 guard alignment and be our 6th man. Hes a tenacious on ball defender and obviously can score the ball.

agreed here. Without someone like James thrown in you are paying $20 million (and really $40 if you include luxury tax) for a #1 pick, which is incredible. You need to have James and a high potential #1.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Briggs you really think getting Jalen Rose(who you called done not more then 5 days ago) and Mike James makes THIS Knicks team into a Multiple Round Wining playoff team?

Posted by BRIGGS:

i think the best short term solution for us is ruben patterson. there is no wild cap dealings

as far as james and rose, you are adding a huge amount of firepower to spots we dont have in SF and 6th man/b u PG plus the pick so of course it makes the team much more viable to win many more games and become a player in the playoffs. it depends if dolan will swallow the cost OR of Toronto would even be interested. i would not do jalen for penny straight up. I'm not sure if I make this trade just to get James at the cost of taking back Rose because I think Isiah can find this team a PG another way without taking a guy like Jalen back.

weve been close to winning games. adding to 18 pt scores and a ballhawk defender like james would change the differential quite a bit which should change outcomes.